It's never too soon to jump back into the filmography of Nicholas Roeg, combined with our very first chat about Oliver Reed! Welcome to CASTAWAY (1986)!
Who'd have thought that answering a magazine advert to be a man's "wife" on an island, fending for yourself for an entire year, would be a terrible idea? They have to live off the land, free from outside influence, a true escape from the monotony of city life in London. We believe this feeling of "escape" is a very "Western" idealist concept. In that respect, it's a very throwaway idea. But these guys actually did it. And here's the end result.
Based on the true story of Lucy Irvine, who answered a magazine advert to spend one year on a secluded island with a man she had just met seems too wild to have happened. Starring Oliver Reed and Amanda Donohoe, directed by Nicholas Roeg, this film is a mixed experience, especially as rare as the film is to obtain in its original, legitimate release.
Desert Island Dilemmas: Love, Nudity, and Survival
Laura: Well, hello there. Welcome to On the BiTTE, the podcast that uncovers full frontal male nudity in cinema. My name is Laura and I am joined by my islander, Ryan.
Ryan: Shadows and Dust. Sh. Shadows and dust. O Shadows and Dust.
Laura: See, I from. Wrote an ad. I wrote an ad in the newspaper and then Ryan just showed up, so here he is.
Ryan: I, uh, yes, he was the only one.
Laura: He was the only one that responded to my ad.
Ryan: I'm a very sad individual.
Laura: Woman 20+ requires man 20+ to record podcast with to talk about wieners in film.
Ryan: This is how the podcast came to be. I only read so much and all I read was like, wieners and film in a podcast. I'm like, yeah, I'll do that.
Laura: He didn't realize that all I really wanted was for him to come over and have sex all the time. Yeah, it was just not written, but it was unwritten.
Ryan: It's tiresome. Like, honestly, my. My foot's never been the same.
Laura: Just like it is in the 1986 biographical drama Castaway, directed by Nicholas Rogue. Our second Rogue, starring Oliver Reed and Amanda Donooe. And wowey wowey wow. Apparently this isn't an easy film to get a hold of, but not really. If you know where to look, you can pro.
Ryan: Increibly rare.
Laura: Man, this film is something else. So let me just drop the synopsis that I pulled from letterbox, which is really quite, really something. Just like the film. Middle aged Gerald Kingsland advertises in a London paper for a female companion to spend a year with him on a desert island. The young Lucy Irving takes a chance on contacting him, and after a couple of meetings they decide to go ahead. Once on the island, things prove a lot less idyllic than in the movies. And gradually it becomes clear that it is Lucy who has the desire and the strength to try and see the year through Jesus. And the tagline of this film is one year on a deserted tropical island. Wife 20 to 30 needed to accompany man 35 plus right to box 775 with details and evening phone number.
Ryan: Is that the. That's the tagline.
Laura: That's the tagline. But which is the ad that was written in the paper?
Ryan: Yeah, mean based.
Laura: Any true story, which I will get into. But. And we don't really need to get into the director because if you wanted to know anything that Ryan had to say about Nicholas Rogue, you would go back to our.
Ryan: The man who fell to earth. Fel.
Laura: To earth.
Ryan: Yes, I was going to say that I covered him so well, so good. Really I shouldn't have to do it again.
Laura: I'm gonna need you to do it again from memory.
Ryan: Um, it's probably in the same notebook, but, uh, yeah, no, I'm not. I'm not doing that.
Laura: Uh, we're not doing that.
Ryan: No. Go back and listen to another one of our podcasts if you're an actual fan. Um, you should have known that already. So.
Laura: Yeah, I. It's funny, I was blown away at first to learn that this is a canon film. I love canon.
Ryan: I'm wearing a Canon T shirt right now.
Laura: You're literally wearing the shirt right now.
Ryan: Well, I had to change it from, like, an old work shirt because we had to. We left the house today. The cardinal sin. And, uh, yeah, we left the house today and I had to. I had to not wear an old work shirt. Certainly not to another grocery store. Would'd have got myself in trouble.
Laura: Yes, I made you do chores today.
Ryan: We painted a fucking door today.
Laura: It was great. I had such a good time.
Ryan: What else did we do? We put a draft excluder on the door as well.
Laura: Okay. This is not very interesting. Okay, so the screenwriter of this film, who is Scottish, do you know him? Ryan. His name's Alan Scott.
Ryan: Oh, yeah, no, I used to hang out with him in school.
Laura: Absolutely. He wrote the film. He also wrote Don't look now and the Witches for Nicholas Rogue.
Ryan: Oh, okay.
Laura: So this film was adapted from Lucy Irvin's book Castaway. Wow. Uh, based on her experience on the island of Tuin. Tuin.
Ryan: I thought it was Tin.
Laura: It's not Turin. It's not Italy. I u I in T I n. Yeah.
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Ryan: Well, the way that Oliver says it, it sounds like tin toin 2 in.
Laura: M which is between New guinea and Australia, and Kingsland at the time was 49 and Irvin was 24 years old. So little bit of an age gap there. And the film didn't come out very much longer after the book was published. It was quite popular. Nicholas Rog got a hold of the book and took Lucy Irvin out to lunch and explained that the island was the perfect, quote, vehicle for something he'd been wanting to make a film about for yearsk, which is essentially the relationship between an older man and a younger woman. And it was never intended to be exactly like her book.
Ryan: Okay.
Laura: And she said, I understood this, so was kind of able to watch the film without feeling too personally involved. It is an unusual film, and I reckon Amanda Donnahhoo, uh, played a difficult part quite well. And Oliver Reed was great too, although I Wouldn't say it was his best film.
Ryan: Oof.
Laura: Ouch.
Ryan: All right.
Laura: Scathing. And Kate Bush, who, I don't know if you knew, sings the opening song of the film.
Ryan: Yeah. Because it's, uh, uh, what's the song called? But it's, uh. It's basically a line. It's a line from the movie as well. So it's like the tit'like. Not a titular line, but it's a line that Oliver Reed says where it's like, don't judge me on my, like, my mistakes or something.
Laura: Kind to my mistakes.
Ryan: There you go. Be kind to my mistakes. Yeah, so it's. It's fine.
Laura: It's a great song. I love K. Bush.
Ryan: Yeah. I'm not Kate Bushan.
Laura: I've grown to love the Bush over the years. Big fan.
Ryan: Yeah. No, I'm not gonna say she was. Ye. It doesn't make me.
Laura: It was a joke. Kate Bush was initially actually asked to star in the film, but then she ended up just giving the song.
Ryan: Yeah, I stick to what you know. Kate Bush, I think you're fin.
Laura: She did what she knew. And if you. Amanda Donahoe is really someone that you've seen a lot, but, like, she's super familiar in this movie.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: But she became kind of slightly famous when she was 16 years old because she was dating Adam A.
Ryan: Okay, okay, okay.
Laura: Who was eight years older than her. Not as big of an age gap as is in this film. And this film was her feature film debut, but she had another film that came out the same year called Foreign Body.
Ryan: Okay. Yeah.
Laura: And she was in two Ken Russell films after this. She was in the Lair of the White Worm and the Rainbow, both of which I love, but we probably won't talk about on the podcast because she.
Ryan: She's in Starship Troopers 3.
Laura: Wow.
Ryan: Holy shit. Yeah. I'm like, typing into my phone at the same timeuse I'm trying to find shit for us to talk about. Cause she's in Liar, Liar.
Laura: You boring you. Yeah, she is in lar. I think she's the boss.
Ryan: Okay. She is. Yeah. She is the boss. Yeah. She's in a talk. I remember more from, um, tv. She's in a whole city, if I remember. She's in LA Law.
Laura: I think so.
Ryan: I remember. Yeah. I remember more from, like, Holby City, like, British tv, you know, the good tv. Um. U. Yeah, no, I remember more from, like, TV stuff.
Laura: Okay. She won a Golden Globe for being in LA Law, so.
Ryan: Shit. Yeah, think you say she won a Golden Globe for, uh, Holby City. And I'd be like, I don't think so. That show wasn't that good. But u, uh, yeah.
Laura: Okay. So this film had me riled up more than once.
Ryan: Yeah, you had. You got yourself a little bit more U, uh, heated and emotional then, really. Yeah. Than usual. I guess it was what we would.
Laura: Probably to say, okay, I love Oliver Reed. Love, love, love. And I think it is strictly due to him being an incredible actor that got me so riled up because he did so many gross things and yet was weirdly respectful at the same time, at least in the boundaries of the film that we're watching. Right.
Ryan: I think it's more that he's. I don't know if he's being respectful, though.
Laura: He's being respectful of her boundaries, I.
Ryan: Mean, I guess, sexually. Oh, um. Right. I mean, here's the thing. Like, maybe they were fucking most of the time, but I mean, it got. It got to a certain point in the film where obviously, you know, he's a very sexually charged, you know, individual. Right. And it just kind of gets to point
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Ryan: when, you know. Yeah. I mean, if you're that hungry. I don't know how hungry I would be for the sex, especially considering the circumstances.
Laura: So it's. You find it odd. So this man writes into a newspaper. He wants aot wife to go on a deserted island with him for a year. Right.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Nothing is talked about with sex in the film. They both have sex before going to this island and getting married. Quot married?
Ryan: Yeah. I mean, it seems to happen on.
Laura: The first date, which is fine, because if you're, you know, you gotta figure out whether it's worth it. But I don't know if that's what she imagined his intentions to be necessarily. Their intentions are so different.
Ryan: He kind of puts it up on Front street, though, at the very beginning, where he's like, I've. I've not interviewed many people, but I didn't expect the person I interviewed to give me, you know, feelings in my, you know, my trouser package is basically what he referred to, which I think is like. It's very. It's very brazen of him because it's. It can go one of two ways. She can get all, you know, she can get all sex strong and be like, f and they all start fucking immediately. Or it just kind of puts you off because it's kind of like, well, you're just a pery old man.
Laura: Right.
Ryan: So it's. It's a weird. Like, it's a really weird the thing is, is like it. You know, because truth is always stranger than fiction. Like if it was, if it was a piece of fiction and you didn't have any understanding of whether or not this was a true story, you would probably think that's not very believable.
Laura: Right.
Ryan: Because. Yeah, but the fact is that it is because it happened. This is the way. I mean, I'm guessing, but I'm assuming this is the way it happened.
Laura: Well, you know, he took a lot of liberties. Um, I have the book in my cart to get delivered because I really want to read it. L. Irvin's book. But you know, he did take a lot of liberties. A Nicholas Rogue. But yeah, I'm sure that it ended up in a similar type of way.
Ryan: I do think the first 20 minutes of the film, like that first part just before they get to the island is running at breakneck speed.
Laura: It absolutely is. Because I want to know.
Ryan: Just cannot, it cannot slow down. It's like we need to get to the island immediately, otherwise this film is three and a half hours long.
Laura: I just want to know his reasoning because I feel like it's really vague. You see things on the TV where, you know, in the background where you're supposed to understand. Yes. The world is crazy, horrible things are happening. We have to get out and just live off the land and just be human beings again. Right. Which yeah, of course that sounds great. Especially with the nonsense that we're all dealing with today. Like, yeah, let's just go live on a deserted island and just forget world's troubles. Right. But I feel like he doesn't say that enough. And she doesn't really explain too much why she wants to go. It's just like, oh, I'm young, let's just go on an adventure. Right. And he's more like, I want to go to an um, islande and take my clothes off and drink a carton of Bacardi rum and have sex with a 20 year old.
Ryan: Yeah. So I think like for my understanding of the, you know, from the film, from just watching it and I've seen the film before but I saw years and years and years ago on tv. Um, he's. He is a consummate like fantasist because you know, there's that he has an interest in magic, illusion, um, you know, sleight of hand. I do think that he is, he is very much deluding himself as to the grandeur of his true self and like what he's able to do and what he's able to perform. In life. Like, uh. I do think he has a, uh, very much misplaced sense of how he is and who he is as a person.
Laura: I think that's very well said.
Ryan: And I think it's kind of like he's gotten this notion into his mind because, like, that's the thing. Like, you could look at this period as like. Of this man because, like, you know, we get to see some of his home life and, you know, he's there and there's a couple of kids. Um, the wife is nowhere to be seen. I'm assuming she's just no longer in the picture anymore, or the mother is no longer in the picture anymore. But, you know, you're putting. You're putting a. Ah, juxtapos. Because this is Nicholas Rog. So it's a juxtaposition of like, life within the
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Ryan: city and it's centered in London to then what that life then becomes when they go to the island, right in the Seychelles. And you're kind of just like, there's. It happens so quickly that I think it's a very smart ploy from the filmmakers to basically take away any chance for them to really think about this situation logically because of how quickly things do happen. But, you know, that's an overarching idea. But I think with. With the case of like, Oliver Reed's character, Gerald Jerry, is that he is effectively deluding himself and he is in denial and he has a greater sense of himself than I think he does. He just doesn't think this through well enough. And this is kind of like a move, like a moment in his life where he's like, well, if I don't do that, like, this is. This is crazy. And I'm gonna do this because I'm crazy. And it's. Yeah, it just kind of comes across where you know, he sends himself up to the brink of madness trying to make sure that this. This becomes a reality.
Laura: It's incredibly endearing, the whole idea of it, because I think. I don't know, at least when I was watching it, I go, thats very cool. I am completely uninterested in doing that sort of thing because I enjoy my creature comforts. But just the fact that these two people were able to go out there and survive, I think a, uh.
Ryan: I think it's a throwaway thing. I think people in Western society, uh, they come to a moment where they're just like, I need to run away. I need to do something wild. Because, you know, the hustle and bustle, like, the way that We've been brought up and this is different in different cultures, obviously, but I feel like within the Western world there's such a regimen that people start to clash against it eventually. And yeah, this is kind of what I feel, but it's very throwy. Like, people say that all the time where they're just like, wow, I'm gonna go do something wild. I'm gonna go live in a Dr. Islands. Like, I'm gonna take my gap year. You know, all this shit.
Laura: But the fact that they actually did it but knowing that if they didn't get help from the outside, they would have died.
Ryan: Yes.
Laura: For sure.
Ryan: It's.
Laura: It's, uh. Especially Gerald.
Ryan: Yeah, it's hard.
Laura: Particularly Gerald. I think that she might have. Meh. M. Might have been okay, potentially. She might have survived. I don't know. She would have been okay.
Ryan: She seemed to fare better. I mean, we're watching the film knowing, you know, we live in Florida. Like, we watch the film knowing that, like, you. You would keep yourself covered up the majority of the time. Like you're not on holiday. Like, you're on. Yeah, because there's no level of, like, there's no control on this island. It's an unpopulated space. It's also quite a small island and they don't own the island. So I'm. I'm like wondering about obviously the legalities and things like that. Whereas, like, it's like we're given permission to be on this island for a year. So they're kind of like, you know, they've signed off on a lease to stay on this island u. Um, for this year.
Laura: And it's kind of like'the other thing is that that was one of the hiccups before they got to the island is the fact that the Australian government wanted them to be married in order to let them stay on the island, which she obviously was quite annoyed at because that wasn't the goal. Like, that wasn't anything that she had in mind. She didn't want to marry this man. She didn't want to be with this man. She just wanted to go on an adventure.
Ryan: Butife wife was in speech marks and the advert. So, uh, it's false advertising. Yeah, yeah, False advertising. But yeah, it's kind of. It's such a thing. It's an incredibly brave thing to do. I mean, it's idiotic and a lot of. A lot of misled, like, a lot of misled bravery just ends up being class, as idio say. But it's kind of Just like, what they're doing is incredibly brave. And I do think that she is prepared far more. I mean, I was doing my review, actively doing the review, and, um, put my rating in for the film as we were actively recording. But I, uh, mean, one of the posters is just of her, like, her backside, and you can see her bum and stuff in like, a G string and then the holster over her shoulder with the knife in it and stuff. So you can tell from, like, at least from the marketing, like, this is what they're trying to go for, where it's kind of like she's a strong, independent
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Ryan: woman, she's a survivalist. She's putting this where it's. It's not really necessarily about that. I feel like survival is just a, uh. Yeah, like, instinctually you would be like, oh, no, I'm hungry. I need to fucking do something about it.
Laura: I don't know. I do think that it is a lot. It is about her. Like, the film is about her's.
Ryan: The story is her story.
Laura: Yeah. It's not about Oliver Reid. If she wasn't there, he would have died. Um, I think he's completely separate. He has nothing to do with it. I mean, well, he has a little bit to do with it because she had to do things with him in order to, like, keep status quo.
Ryan: Well, they wouldn't. They wouldn't be there unless, you know, she had also replied to that ad.
Laura: I mean, I think the first time he does magic, I don't remember. It's before they got to the Islander. After.
Ryan: Very much before.
Laura: It's before. And she sees him do magic. Does she see him do magic?
Ryan: Yes.
Laura: That's unfortunate. That's a red flag for me, I would say. Absolutely not. That man does a magic trick and you know that motherfucker is going toa be doing it the whole year. He did.
Ryan: He did it to the flat meat. He did it to Lara.
Laura: To Lara, yeah. That's upsetting.
Ryan: I pulled a handkerchief out of nowhere.
Laura: As the housemate, I would have gone, pal, you're in for a really rough ride. Do not go with this old man to this island because he's going toa be pulling quarters out of your ear the whole time and you can't even spend the money.
Ryan: Yeah, that's going toa be horrible. And's aw.
Laura: Also, he recites filthy limericks all the time.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Uh, who wants to deal with a man who's twice your age reciting filthy limericks, doing magic tricks, and also trying to have sex with you and Guilting you about not having sex with him.
Ryan: I don't know. That one limerick where he's like every day flicking bits of paper, uh, out, uh, of vagina is pretty funny.
Laura: But he also didn't even tell her that limerick. He was alone. He was did limerick alone.
Ryan: That's what the movie would have been if she wasn't the. Is just him.
Laura: Um, I mean this also could have been the whole, you know, if this wasn't a true story. That sounds like a Nicholas rogue movie to me. Where he thinks he's with a hot woman trying to have sex, but he's actually by himself.
Ryan: Yeah, I prefer the idea of Oliver Reed with a bunch of alcohol on a desert island doing filthy glimericks and doing magic tricks just to amuse himself. And he. And then he makes friends with a all.
Laura: No.
Ryan: Yeah, uh, yeah, we've never seen that before.
Laura: But I think we've alluded to the fact that from the start his creep factor is at a 10 or at 100 depending on the dial that you have. Because he makes it clear from the start, from the beginning, from the entire time that he wants one thing. And it's her on her back with her hands behind her head, submissive, ready to receive.
Ryan: He's a good time happy dad.
Laura: Jesus Christ.
Ryan: That's what he does. No, he is, he's a good time happy dad. He does magic. He hangs like Ryan. He runs that uh, kids group at the swimming pool.
Laura: He has open wounds he. On his body.
Ryan: He's like, splash, splash, splash. Everyone's gonna splash in the pool.
Laura: Gross. He has open wounds on his legs, on his body, and he just still is incessant on having sex with this woman. But I'm like, ew, what does your wiener look like? It's probably covered in sores. O. I'm so grossed out. It's so uncool.
Ryan: Well, he did. Yeah. We never, we don't really see too much of his wier to make any sort of uh, logical, logical readout from that. But you do see the state of his legs and they're covered in sores and bites and stuff becausez they refuse to wear, uh, baggy flowy clothing.
Laura: That's the thing where Lucy is nude throughout the entire film.
Ryan: It's also sun protection as well because they can't have, they can't have sunscreen there. Obviously there's no.
Laura: I believe that they would have brought a year supply of sunscreen. And she's so. She's nude throughout the film, but his bits are strategically covered by palm fronds and zippers throughout the entirety of the film until near the very, very end. And it's super strange.
Ryan: And I don't know. I don't know if it was Amanda's choice for this or not, but it's like she's in the nutty for like 90% of the film and like totally nude.
Laura: I think that if. Never mind. I don't know, maybe that's not nice to say. I was thinking if. If I was gonna be newud in a film. Yeah. I would do it when I was 24.
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Laura: Absolutely.
Ryan: Yeah, that one.
Laura: I'm 49.
Ryan: No, no. Things are droopy when you're 49.
Laura: Well, you know, everyone is beautiful at all ages. I want to say it. A human body is beautiful.
Ryan: That's even man as well. I don't want to fucking. I don't want to show my naked body to anybody, really.
Laura: I'm not trying to body shame. I'm just saying for. As a purse, as a person, I.
Ryan: Look like a marshmallow that you dropped in a puddle. And it's gotten slightly like it's gotten wet and it's also gotten slightly bulbous from the DTTY water.
Laura: That's the other thing that you brought up is the fact that because we are living in Florida, we also understand that when you're outside, whether it be in your backyard or in the wilderness.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: You are covered up because Florida's mini Australia, you know, so you have bugs, you have, uh, poisonous plants, and you have venomous creatures and everything's trying to.
Ryan: Get you tin is. Yeah, It'just off of Australia. So you know for a fact there's bad spiders and there's bad snakes probably on that island.
Laura: Absolutely.
Ryan: Because there's wildlife on the island. You get to see most. You get to see a fair amount of it. You know, there's birds and rodents and.
Laura: Stuff that she is running around, uh. She's running around without shoes.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: And fully. Just fully nude is horrifying to me because also work. I am an archaeologist. Right. So I'm. I go out in the field. And you don't wear like a tank top, you don't wear shorts.
Ryan: No.
Laura: Uh, you wear heavy duty boots and you wear trousers and long sleeves and you even have head coverings because you're out in the sun or you're out in the woods and there's. Anyway, I'm reiterating the whole thing. You don't run around naked. You're going to be covered in bites and sores and you're go goingna get sick, which is what happens. To be fair, it is what happens. They're all covered in sores and bites and open wounds and they're starving. Little less sunburned than you would have expected.
Ryan: Yeah, it was kind of weird that they weren't that sunburn. But then maybe they were just being sensible and they were getting into the shade when it was at the hottest parts of the day. But I'm not too sure. But the thing is, is like, I don't know, maybe. Maybe Gerald thought like he had the, you know, the magic touch. He could just like, just wave his sores away with his hand and it would be fine.
Laura: He was always touching it and then also trying to have sex with her at the same time and touching his wounds.
Ryan: It was pretty, it was pretty funny where she's having, she's having like, uh, like she's having like a sexy dream and he's just like slowly putting his finger into one of the open wounds on his foot and she's just like, oh my God. Oh my God. He's just sticking his finger into his wound.
Laura: Disgusting.
Ryan: And she's like, are you okay? And I'd be like, I don't think, like, if he's up in awake''like, are, are they keeping you awake? He's like, yes, they're incredibly painful. Of course they look fing painful. They look fing horrific. And he's all waterlogged as well. His feet are all swollen up. It's, uh.
Laura: Yeah. Like, let's get down to business.
Ryan: It looks like a literal nightmare. It looks like a literal fucking nightmare.
Laura: And one thing that we both agreed on was how cool it was how they showed the body dysmorphia in this film.
Ryan: It's the most interesting part of the film and it's the most Nicholas Rogue part of the film.
Laura: I loved it because you, you have the actors, right? And you go, oh. It's one of those things if you made it nowadays, right, that the actors, like if you had Christian Bale playing Jerry, right, he would get emaciate. He'd be huge. And then he'd get emaciated. Right? But they don't do that where you just, you have the actors and they are as they are. And then when they kind of look in the mirror or when they're seen from a different kind of perspective, right, you can see their emaciated bodies and their ribs and their skin is sagging and they just look horrible and they look just desperate.
Ryan: Yeah. So the way the editing works is that for the majority of the film we, we are seeing it from their perspective. So they are imagining to themselves that they are healthy when it's obvious that they're not. So they are. Yeah, so they are, they're basically seeing themselves as healthy from the day that they got there. So their view on themselves is completely warped. But really they're just in denial of like how dire their situation is. So you will see flashes of, you know, their emaciated bodies that are obviously played by stand ins, um, and then you'll cut back the actual actors and stuff like that and the way that they
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Ryan: look normally. So I don't, I don't know. I mean, I guess, like it's an interesting idea and like in practicality, is it, is that what they're going for? I can only assume that's what it is because maybe, I don't know, they were just like. Well, no, we're not going to actually physically starve ourselves because it's obvious that they're cut to people who are, you know, they're very, very skinny. Like very skinny. You know, like the skin is hanging off of them like skinny.
Laura: So I mean, you maybe could just suck in your tummy, like really hard.
Ryan: You could. But even if you do that, the skin is not rippling as if it's like, as if it's like, it's like removing itself from the, from the fatty layer of your muscle basically because it's just been eaten away by starvation.
Laura: So yeah, yeah, it's rough.
Ryan: But what we all know is that because like, you knowuse when we all get hungry, we all get a little bit grumpy.
Laura: Yeah, absolutely. I've seen those Snickers commercials and that's.
Ryan: Kind of what happens on the island is they get super grumpy with each other.
Laura: Just like a regular married couple.
Ryan: Very grumpy. Yeah, I don't know. We don't really argue that much. I only shouted atat you twice today.
Laura: I mean, that's an improvement. So wait, what do you're talking about? I feel like you're leading into something. You're leading into the fact that they get really grumpy.
Ryan: Well, they get really grumpy and you can tell because they're getting very like aggressive with each other and they're shouting and stuff. Because you brought it up as well. You were like, well, shes not goingna stand there and just take all of his shit either.
Laura: I, there was several times and I think, I don't know, maybe I just do this all the time. Anytime I see a woman in a film, I'll. I'll pop my feet in their shoes. And I just think to myself, you know, yeah, if I'm on an island, you know, yeah, I want to. I want to take my clothes off. I just want to have a good time. But then you also have to survive. But then you are there with a man who you don't really know. And do they even really get to know each other at all? To be fair, throughout this entire ordeal.
Ryan: He'S, uh, she's asking him questions though.
Laura: Is he answering them properly?
Ryan: No, I don't think he is. But I think it's kind of like he's also fully aware of the fact that she's also writing and she's doing a project. And it's kind of like I would probably be in the same boat where I'd be like, well, no, I'm not gonna just give you the information because that's not. That's not how this is going to work.
Laura: Yeah, I mean, it is clear that she is writing a story throughout this. And I was reading and I tried to find the website or the news article that I was reading again where it was written that his intent on this whole trip was also to write about his experience. But then she excelled in it rather than him. So he was a little bit buturrt about it.
Ryan: I do feel like. Yeah, I do feel like maybe, you know, like she's a little bit more proactive about it. Uh, he's dealing with all sorts of fucking ailments. You know what I mean? And it's.
Laura: Yeah, it's just because Oliver Reed is so intense and magnetic and he really just eats it up all the time.
Ryan: Uh, you're just watch. You're watching a man eatating island. Like the entireah.
Laura: He's just eating it up. And the fact that she, uh, as, uh, her character is not worried. She's not afraid. Do you know what I mean? And I know that he's covered in sores and his feet are all swollen and disgusting. And if she ran, he couldn't catch her, of course, but he. He's a big guy. I don't know get. I get afraid. Men. Men are scary. Just the fact that they're alone out there and they're relying on each other and he's getting aggressive and getting scary and always, always talking about having sex with her. And she. That's the last thing on her mind. She's trying to survive and keep healthy. The fact that later in the film, the only way that they are surviving is because of the help of other people. Yeah, she completely stops having her period because she's so malnourished. But he still keeps talking about wanting to have sex.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Like she's just trying to live.
Ryan: Yeah. Ah yeah.
Laura: Um, yeah, yeaheahe.
Ryan: Yeah. No, it makes, I mean, yeah, I mean it make. It makes sense. It's kind of just like. But that's the thing. Like it's his. It was his dream, it was his vision and he doesn't want to accept that it's closing down. He was like, we're gonna survive on this island. We're gonna do this. And it's the exact same moment
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Ryan: that happens later in the film when they become too self sufficient because they have to, they have to bring like they have to bring resources in from the outside world basically.
Laura: Which pisses her off because that was not the original intent of the journey. No, it was to surviveeah based on your own wiles and growing your own food.
Ryan: But they already failed at that though. Yeah, like that's the thing. They failed catastrophically. And it's just kind of like, you know, having this repeat argument about the same thing. It is just like, you know, you're. You're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. Like that's kind of just how that is. And it's kind of like, you know, uh, you kind of feel like how deliberate this entire experience was because if you were to go there because it's like it feels even from the first day there is an element of help there and they're putting themselves into a very dangerous situation and then they just kind of be. Have to be helped again. I mean at that point I'd be like the project'over Absolutely. Like we know this isn't going to work.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: Because I mean, Christ, the minute a missionary minute a fucking none. Like uh u. She comes to the island. The minute I'm saved by a person of God, I'm like allgh, I'm done. Like that's it. This was a complete and utter waste of my time. I was like, thank you for tending to my wounds. I'm ready to go home now.
Laura: I mean it was kind of funny when the nun was like aren't you worried about her getting pregnant out here on this island? He's like, who? Well, you know, because he hadn't slept with her.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Because she won't let him.
Ryan: And also her whole entire reproductive system is slowly rotting away from mal nutrition.
Laura: So absolutely.
Ryan: It's uh. Incredibly unlikely that that's what's going to happen.
Laura: She's like, you don't need to worry about it. Do anything you want. No, she can't do anything.
Ryan: But here's the thing is, like, you know, they give them a boat. Like, he gets a job. He's, like, going out for work. He's, like, fixing stuff. And she's kind of left being the. The, you know, the woman on the island tending to, like, the house tending.
Laura: I think she liked it. She liked it, though.
Ryan: Well, it. It's. Then it's kind of like, again, it's just. It's like, well, what are you. What are you wanting? Like, you don't like it the way it is. You didn't like it the way it was. You know, it's like the further insertion of any level of, like, societal values, like the little things that we take for granted, like a roof over your head and, you know, like, a job and, like, things that kind of. Like, the thing. All they did was they just. They relocated to somewhere else to have the exact same thing.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: And, yeah, it's like, for her to. She gets angry about it, and I think it's just. Yeah, it just. It wasn't the adventure that it was. It's like. Yeah, it's like putting yourself into that scenario.
Laura: I just think it SS her. He brings her, uh, a frozen ham or something, right?
Ryan: Yeah, it does.
Laura: And she gets annoyed because. Yeah. Like, we're not surviving anymore.
Ryan: Like, she didn't kill the peg or Salil.
Laura: Exactly. I'm like, uh. I'm thinking, honey, you haven't been doing that for a while. You literally have cans of beer, you have cans of vegetables, you have your radio, you have fans, you have a generator with a light bulb.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: You're not doing it anymore. It's over.
Ryan: No, it was because they couldn't do it the other way before either.
Laura: No. Because they weren't prepared because they were dumb.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: You can't do that. Could just go out there with bottles of Bacardi and think that you're gonna grow. What did they think they were just.
Ryan: Gonna grow vegetables in the sand?
Laura: And, I mean, you can grow stuff in the sand, but, like, ``h. My God. The fact that they thought that they were gonna have food, like, right away, like, oh, we're gonna plant this. Like, that takes so long.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: So long. He's never grown anything in his life.
Ryan: No.
Laura: Can.
Ryan: Can fish, though. They could definitely fish. He was able to fish. But I think, like, you know, I think the film like the story. Yeah, it's just, you know, but by the time, because you know, obviously the journey is going toa come to an end and effectively, like, you know, if God is there in a very comm. As you know, um, the heavens literally open and they bombard the island with like a typhoon or a hurricane.
Laura: Yeah, they finally made the structure that she had d
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Laura: been asking for for months and months and months.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: And they had a so called house on, on the beach.
Ryan: They did.
Laura: And yeah, a storm comes through and yeah. So yeah, I think we're coming up to it. And this is about an hour, 42 minutes and about 50 seconds. Ish.
Ryan: Depends on pretty much 10 minutes before. Yeah, 10 minutes right before the end of this.
Laura: Um, and this is kind of just after Lucy has made an alter ego in the film. Right. She's made an alter ego called Rosie M. In order to satisfy Gerald's advances. Because it's just constant. The, the need for sex, the need for intimacy.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: He cannot deal and it's probably incredibly annoying for her. So she's like, all right, well they don't, uh, the time is timey wimey. It's been kind of hard to decideher how long they've been there.
Ryan: Y.
Laura: And he. She just decides to make herself different.
Ryan: Yes.
Laura: Ah, she puts lipstick on, she makes her hair different in order to make this different Persona, to make it so she can deal with having sex with him because she is. Lucy is not interested. But maybe Rosie is interested in having sex with him.
Ryan: Well, she's playing out uh, this sexual fantasy that he had as a child.
Laura: Okay, sure.
Ryan: About the going under the table and seeing the knickers and the stockings and stuff.
Laura: Yeah. I mean he honestly just wouldn't shut up about being a full on pervert the whole movie.
Ryan: Yeah, uh, it wasn't, it wasn't great. And the thing is God, God chose to destroy everything on that island.
Laura: So it's like at this point Rosie, her alter ego has unlocked his nonsense boner fantasies. Right. And so at this point he believes that he has full access to this human being because before he was pretty, he wasn't necessarily hands off. But he understood that no means no. But now no means nothing.
Ryan: Nothing. Yeah.
Laura: It is just. You are mine now and I will do as I please. So a typhoon encompasses the camp. Things are going wrong. Typhoon is encompassing the camp. And as soon as this begins to happen, really, instead of trying to salvage anything or tie down the camp, I.
Ryan: Don'T think they can do anything. I don't.
Laura: They Can I feel like you would give it a shot because you could hear it coming. Right. So you would kind of get a feeling that there's a storm coming. Right. But he's like trying to turn on the generator. To what effect? Unsure. But they are both naked. She's usually naked anyway, so it's fine.
Ryan: Yeah, but he's naked, which is kind of.
Laura: He's full naked, which he hasn't been. But I think Rosie unlocked the creepy boner that he always wanted to be. So he's like, I'll be naked now. Yeah, I mean, he was naked earlier in the film, but again, like I had said, palm franz and tent zippers were covering his bits.
Ryan: Uh, yeah.
Laura: Dumb. Yeah, super dumb. Not especially in retrospect. Super dumb.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: So he's fully naked out in the storm, screaming.
Ryan: Screaming at the storm. Yeah.
Laura: And then, uh, he essentially just runs inside and grabs her.
Ryan: Well, they start having sex because they think they're gonna die.
Laura: Well, you know, obviously.
Ryan: And then the house collapses. But what do you mean that's not going. They're not going to die.
Laura: Why would they die then?
Ryan: They could have what, during the fucking typhoon? What are you even talking about? Uh, yeah, yeah, what are you talking about? That's obvious.
Laura: Okay, you're saying they had sex because it's. It might be the end. No, no, no. Yeah, he forced himself upon her whilst she was saying no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Ryan: I don't o. I can't remember.
Laura: She was. She was not interested. She kept saying no because she didn't get to turn herself into her rosy Persona. And she is just Lucy who is uninterested and having sex with this man.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: And yeah, he. I, uh, mean, it's not like, you know, when you talk about a man forcing himself upon someone, it like. Or someone forcing themselves upon someone else. It's not like as traumatic as things that I've
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Laura: seen in the past, but it's still just like, jesus, man, just get your head out of your ass. This woman's not interested.
Ryan: Yeah, no, I getone. Well, the house collapses. A big tidal wave comes in and just collapses the house.
Laura: Trying to get me off my rant. Yes, the house collapses.
Ryan: Yeah, yeah, caus like, uh, I don't. I don't remember that. That's not clear.
Laura: She was trying to push him off of her.
Ryan: Okay. Well, I mean, also probably because she.
Laura: Was like, I need to get to safety. And yet I have this man on top of me is twice my size.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Uh, and it's wet. It was flooded.
Ryan: There's a lot going on, basicallysolutely. And there's a typhoon. And it's. It's very much the way it is. There's no structural integrity whatsoever.
Laura: No.
Ryan: Uh. And yes, either way, the fucking house comes down and u. Uh, yeah. I mean, that's. The scene's not, like, in terms of, you know, how we cover things and stuff like that. The scene itself isn't s. It's not great. It's cut together relative. It's very fast. Like, the wide shots. Like, it's there, it's a blink and you miss it, basically. Because it could have quite easily have been, like, a standout shot, but it isn't there long enough. Um, and it. Yeah, it just gets super cutty for whatever reason. And, um, it's at night as well. It's also at. Nice. It's very dark and there's rain coming down. So that's obviously obscuring a few things. But you're kind of like, like, what does this moment meant to signify? Like, what. What kind of move is this making now that this man is naked, even though we watching Lucy the entire time be completely naked this entire time? Like, what is this. Like, what is this moment signifying for this male character?
Laura: I, uh, personally think that because this happened right after her unlocking this Persona.
Ryan: Oay.
Laura: That he's also kind of tapping into that as well. So he goes, okay, she's giving me what I've always wanted, and now I'm free to also just be a naked island man as well. I genuinely can't think of anything other than that because he never, ever walked around technically fully naked before he was naked. But it was like when they were in bed.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Or, uh, you know, sleeping or laying down or relaxing or whatever. But there are dozens of shots of her swimming naked in the sea and just running around. And that doesn't happen for him. So I don't know. I mean, that's the only thing I can really think of is that maybe it's because he finally got laid, that he feels like he can be open and free with the island.
Ryan: Now. I don't like that. But then I don't have anything else to kind of, like, back it up.
Laura: I'm not saying I like it either.
Ryan: Well, I don't. I don't. Yeah, well, I mean, I just. I mean, like, if that's, like, what it could potentially mean, then I'm like, I'm not kind of interested. I mean, I don't really like the scene that much anyway. I'm kind of just like, okay. I was like, this is basically the world telling you this is a bad idea and we're gonna destroy everything in your wake, and we're gonna remind you that you probably need to go back to London. Well, that's pretty much what that is.
Laura: This should have been happening the entire film. He should have been naked with her the entire film.
Ryan: I mean, there probably would have been more. More typhoons and hurricanes as well, to be honest.
Laura: Yeah. If they lasted more than a year, which they did.
Ryan: Yeah. Yeah. Um. Yeah, it's kind of. Yeah. There's a horrible imbalance about the whole thing.
Laura: Yeah. Oh. Oh.
Ryan: It's probably the worst one. It's probably the most. Yeah, it's probably.
Laura: Well, that's hard because you do have countless films where there's female nudity throughout and then no male nudity. What?
Ryan: Well, here's the thing. Like, the minute that they are left on the island alone, she immediately takes her clothes off and then that's her for the rest of the film. So.
Laura: Oh, yeah. The moment they get dropped off.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Okay.
Ryan: Yeah. So, I mean, he's not that. No, you know what I mean? So, I mean, it's.
Laura: But also. Hold on. But there are parts, like I was saying, there's palm fronts and there's zippers. Like, there. There is a. It's alluded to the fact that he is naked. But that was a choice by the filmmaker to cover that up. Either it was a choice by the filmmaker or it was. It was dictated by Oliver Reed
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Laura: or dictated by the ratings board to where, like fig. Oh, yes. We can have the female naked at all times. Fully T to B. Totally naked.
Ryan: Right.
Laura: We could only see Oliver Reed's beingnis one time.
Ryan: Yeah, but I don't think with Oliver Reed that would ever have been a problem with him.
Laura: I don't think he has an issue with it.
Ryan: This won't be the first time we cover him anyway. No, you know, I don't think he has an issue with that. Like what?
Laura: No, I don't think so either. So I do think that it's either on the part of the distributor, the ratings board, or Nicholas Rogue himself that decided, I'm not showing that wiener more than once.
Ryan: All right.
Laura: Because what other reason is there?
Ryan: Well, there's none.
Laura: It's weird.
Ryan: Yeah, there's done. Um.
Laura: So, uh, Lucy Irvin herself had said, um, in terms of making the film and, you know, talking about the nudity, she said, well, naked on a desert island with Oliver Reed. It was a tabloid fantasy, wasn't it? And she said he was an alcoholic and his behavior was erratic, but he was always a courteous and good actor. His personal life wasn't working, but he never crossed any lines professionally. Yeah, so those were her words of.
Ryan: Good boy, alcoholic Oliver Reed. But that's the thing. We never knew Oliver Reed as anything other than, like, what he was as a person. So, I mean, that was it. Like, that was. That was Alliver Reed.
Laura: Um, there was. There were quite a few people who said that even though this wasn't maybe his best film, that this was the most like him. That there was.
Ryan: Right.
Laura: As a character.
Ryan: Well, what film do they cite as being his best film, though?
Laura: I don't. I mean, there's. I mean, he's been in so many good films, but he's always incredible in those films. Yeah, it's like Nicholas Cage.
Ryan: Yeah, I guess so.
Laura: Where Nicholas Cage is always really good, but maybe his films aren't m. That's true.
Ryan: That's true. Yeah. That is true.
Laura: Thank you.
Ryan: But, um. Um. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I think. I think Oliver Reed really kind of pulls out with fucking nothing, basically. I think he's actually very interesting in this film, but.
Laura: No, he's great.
Ryan: Um.
Laura: They're both really good.
Ryan: Yeah, they are. But the thing is. Yeah. I mean, if they were terrible, then the film'just nothing effectively. It's just not that interesting if they'not interesting, so.
Laura: Oh, man. Sorry. I was just looking at what the Internet thought his best films were.
Ryan: And what are they?
Laura: Well, the top one, and I. I don't know if this is in order or anything, but would you like to guess what you think maybe one of his top films might be?
Ryan: Um. What's that movie with the. When he buys the house and he's. He's the father in the pool. No, no. Isn't that Burnt Offerings?
Laura: That's definitely not one of the top films.
Ryan: Okay. No, U.
Laura: Easy. It. It just had a sequel come out last year.
Ryan: Oh, Gladiator.
Laura: Okay.
Ryan: Oh, I think that's one of his best films. I mean, he really puts a mark on a performance that he basically died in the middle of doing.
Laura: Right. So the Devils.
Ryan: Yes.
Laura: Women in Love. Obviously a film that you haven't seen yet, that you bought me for Christmas.
Ryan: Venom.
Laura: Absolutely.
Ryan: Okay.
Laura: With Klauskinski.
Ryan: Got you.
Laura: Anyway, those are just a few.
Ryan: Okay. Well, yeah, no, he's done. He's done. No, he's done very well.
Laura: So many.
Ryan: Yeah, he's great. I'm surprised he wasn't in the sequel of Gladiat. So that was my feeling on that one.
Laura: No, they're not gonna do like they did in that new Alien movie you or like.
Ryan: Well, they did D. Cady Fisher in fucking Star Wars.
Laura: Exactly. We don't.
Ryan: Fucking horrible bastardization. Yeah.
Laura: Okay. Okay. So in the book, Lucy Irvin described Kingsland as poor whining man with bad legs. And I was curious because they got had bad l leg and swollen feet. But they got married. And I was always curious. Not always, I'JUST recently curious. I didn't wake up thinking about this.
Ryan: I mean, it was several months ago is the first thing you've been saying every morning. Morning.
Laura: Did they get a divorce? Okay, so she left him.
Ryan: I wonder what Lucy arvin'up to right now. Uh, I wonder, did she get a divorce?
Laura: I actually could tell you. Okay, so she left him in June of 1982, which was 12 months after she arrived in Tuin. He refused to grant her a divorce.
Ryan: Right.
Laura: Yeah. So he ended up having seven children from five different marriages.
Ryan: Okay.
Laura: He passed away in 2000. He 70
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Laura: years old. Uh, Lucy is still alive. She has three children and she founded a non profit animal rescue called life, which is the Lucy Irvin Foundation. Europe.
Ryan: Okay.
Laura: And over 200 dogs have been successfully adopted to the UK. Hu.
Ryan: Huh. Nice. Yeah, but that's the thing. She was never granted a divorce.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: Had he had all these illicit, like illicit marages and obviously these children and stuff like that. So basically, did she just remain madried to him until he died?
Laura: Basically, probably, yeah. Uh, but it probably didn't take that long because he was so much older than her.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: So it was like just 20 years. So she was in her 40s.
Ryan: I mean that's fucking 20 years. That's 20 years of being married to someone that you'yeah. Uh, I mean, I guess she. Well, I mean she will. She wouldn't be able to get married again unless he granted the divorce.
Laura: Yeah. Or he died.
Ryan: That's fucked up.
Laura: Yeah, well, he's a mess, so. In terms of.
Ryan: He's also in the grave, so it doesn't really matter.
Laura: Yeah, yeah. Um, in terms of visibility and context. Like man, context would be like five because. Yeah. Why wouldn't you? Well, I mean, gosh, we were just arguing that they needed to have all these clothes on, so whatever. Yeah, I'm gonn give the whole thing visibility in context. One and a half. You don't see a lot and it really depends on the lighting so if the lighting on the TV is quite high, you can probably see quite a bit more. It's just really dark. Yeah, but honestly, uh, we've talked about this for quite a long time during this episode. Just the fact that he contextually, in comparison to her, should have been naked just as much.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Considering also how much he wanted to have sex with her, I think he maybe would have been naked a lot more. So I think that's really, uh. I don't know, I just think thats not good on the part of either the filmmaker or whoever was distributing the film and the ratings board, potentially. I just don't understand why he wouldn't have been nude. But anyway. Ryan, what do you think?
Ryan: Um, I don't have a lot of thoughts on the scene itself because I just don'think its'particularly good.
Laura: But we have gone over it a lot too.
Ryan: Yeah, we have gone over it a fair amount. So I will just kind of say I'll give it a one.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: And I'll just leave it at thatay because I just don't think it needs to be discussed any longer.
Laura: Uh, for the film. It's so funny. I'm gonna give it. I gave it a four. I really liked it. I just thought it was super interesting and I thought, man, it's also absolutely gorgeous if they, I don't know, films wouldn't be made that same these days. It almost looks fake. It's just so beautiful. The underwater shots are absolutely amazing. The sunsets are beautiful, the scenery is gorgeous. I think the way that it's edited is really, really interesting and I just think the film is very, very fun and I would definitely watch it again. What do you think, Ryan?
Ryan: U. Uh, I mean, what, what would I rate the film as? So I, I gave it four because I do think the performances are good and when the film is good, it's really good. Yeah, um, it probably deserves closer to like a three though, I think, because like, the more you think about it, the more I thought about it, I was like, okay, so it's got, it's got a couple of good central performances. The cinematography is very nice. Um, I think they capture the island well and I think they do a good job of um, capturing just the essence of what this story is all about. Um, but it's probably just a little bit long and I think also as well that like, you know, just, just a couple of things about it that I'm not particularly keen on. Certainly, um, that dick scene is fucking pathetic. But the. Yeah, I say like just on the performances alone. Yeah. Let's just settle at three and a half. There we go. Three and a half.
Laura: Well, well, well. I think that this is something that people should watch and I think it's a lot of fun.
Ryan: Yeah. I mean, if you can get hold of ituse. The way we saw it was that you got what you thought was a real copy of a film on ebay.
Laura: True.
Ryan: And it's just, uh, a, uh, burned dvd. Uh.
Laura: It is a burned dvd.
Ryan: The file on it, they must have.
Laura: Just torrented photocopied cover that someone made.
Ryan: Up a nice blurry photocopy as the DVD cover. And, uh, at least they sealed it though.
Laura: $20. 20. $20?
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Yeah. So you could find this in another ways. If you're not sure, just suggest.
Ryan: Well, here's the thing. I don't think
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Ryan: you will. It's actually incredibly rare.
Laura: It's not that rare. It's really not.
Ryan: I couldn't find it. I couldn't find a copy of it. A legitimate copy.
Laura: O. Uh. Oh, to like buy physically.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: No, you can watch it other ways. Digitally.
Ryan: Oh, okay.
Laura: Well, it's not that bad.
Ryan: That's fine. It's definitely on Daily Motion. That's. The whole film's on there. But was. Yeah, it was an hour and. Oh no, it can be on Daily Motion. Must be like an edited copy.
Laura: I did see. I did see that as well.
Ryan: Hour 20min.
Laura: It's missing like 20 minutes of the film at least. Yeah, I did see that as well.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: It's probably a TV edited thing.
Ryan: Easily.
Laura: Yeah. If you guys need to know, just send us a message. And, uh, also make sure to follow us on social media. On Instagram and where else are we? I don't even know. We have a website on thebeat.com everywhere and on letterboxed, which you can find from m. Our Instagram.
Ryan: We're everywhere. Like, we're like crabs. We get in there.
Laura: We could be.
Ryan: We nestle in your junk site and just you. We're there.
Laura: Scratchy, Itchy, coming to you from Toin. Be kind to my mistakes. I have been, Laura. Um.
Ryan: Yeah. Shadows and Dust, guys. Shadows and Dust.
Laura: We'll see you next time.
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