Cat People (1982) is part two of Schrader-thon! Get excited!
Part two of Schrader-thon! It wasn't deliberate BUT, the quality takes a bit of a knock the further we go on. Like life, it is full of peaks and troughs, ebbs and flows and Malcolm McDowell. There's some cool stuff to enjoy here (even if it's too long)!
Laura: Fire with gasoline.
Ryan: With the gasoline. Gasoline. You shouldn't try I know it's a metaphor, but you shouldn't try and put out gasoline with no, uh, you shouldn't probably put fires out with gasoline because guess what?
Laura: Won't work.
Ryan: The fire just won't go out.
Laura: Certainly not.
Ryan: And then you're just kind of left with a fire. Like an escalating fire. A really like a really bad what, um, do they call those sorts of fires? The ones with the that are like gasoline? Gasoline fires. What do they call them? Inferno bad fires.
Laura: Well, hello there. Welcome to On the BiTTE, the podcast that uncovers full frontal male nudity in cinema. My name is Laura, and I am joined by my Meowie wonderful co host, Ryan.
Ryan: Oh, dear god. Sorry. Sorry. I was, uh, too busy killing someone and I turned back into a human.
Laura: My perfect co host.
Ryan: Is that what this is going to be? It's just a host of cat puns.
Laura: Really, because we are here to talk about the 1982 erotic thriller. Is it a thriller? Erotic horror.
Ryan: Yeah, it's kind of got a couple of I would say thriller horror thriller.
Laura: Thriller.
Ryan: Yeah. I have problems with pronouncing these sorts of words. Anything with the double L or Arr? I'm, um all over the place.
Laura: Erotic horror. Cat People.
Ryan: Yes.
Laura: Directed by Paul Schrader in the second edition of, uh, Schrader Thon 2022. My boy. My boy, my boy. Polly, shrades.
Ryan: Yeah. I have encouraged you to start calling him my boy. Um I love him.
Laura: He's my boy.
Ryan: Yeah. I wonder if you'll like him.
Laura: My boy. Paul.
Ryan: You'll ever hear any of this shit? But anyway, tell him I love him.
Laura: Appreciate him.
Ryan: Well, cat people. Cat People is a remake of the B movie from 1942, also called Cat People. It was directed by Jacques Turner, I think it is. Um jacques. Jacques? Like the French yeah, the French version of Jack. Um, but no, I remember seeing the original Cat People when I was but a teenager. I think I saw it at school. I was only like 14 or something. It's got that really great scene where the cat's attacking someone. And you, uh, can see it's just a big stuffed cat.
Laura: That sounds really cute. I've never seen it.
Ryan: I think it's good. I think it's a good movie.
Laura: Malcolm McDowell thought it was crap.
Ryan: Well, yeah, I mean, I'll take whatever he says with a pinch of salt, but, uh, that's fine. That's okay. It's because he wasn't in the original Cat People. That's why he wasn't too fussed about it.
Laura: He doesn't like movies, uh, unless he's.
Ryan: In them, I guess. So that's fair.
Laura: Fair enough.
Ryan: That's my evaluation.
Laura: I mean, I don't like events. If I'm not involved, who cares?
Ryan: That's very true. Yeah, but I mean, that's an awful lot of events.
Laura: You're having a party. I wasn't there. I don't care. Don't tell me about it.
Ryan: Yeah, well, that's true. Well, not everyone can come to the party, as we find out.
Laura: You, uh, know who is coming to the party?
Ryan: Who's coming to the party?
Laura: Natasha Kinsky as Irina. Malcolm McDowell as Paul. John Hurd. H-E-A-R-D. Not john hurt. Uh, as oliver And Annette O'Toole as Alice.
Ryan: Yeah. Kevin McAllister's dad's in this movie, he is.
Laura: And we'll probably refer to him as such throughout the rest of this episode.
Ryan: I do like calling him Mr. McAllister, just, uh, in the process of this is kind of like this is what his dad would have done as a day job. And we're just getting to see it now.
Laura: Oh, okay. All right. So you think this is potentially the same universe?
Ryan: I think this is canonically, uh, the yeah. This is like a kind of prelude.
Laura: Mr. McAllister. The beginnings.
Ryan: Yeah, pretty much.
Laura: All right.
Ryan: It's just called yeah.
Laura: Yeah.
Laura: I guess we don't really have to get into Paul Schrader, because, as you all I know, are so devoted and have listened to all of our episodes. Our last episode was the very first in Schrader thon, and it was American Jiggle.
Ryan: And if you're not this potentially imaginary individual who's following up on all of our content, you could just go back an episode to American Jiggle and just listen to the first ten minutes.
Laura: Yeah. If you want to get your Schrader on. I mean, we're going to talk about him a lot, because this is his movie.
Ryan: Yeah, well, we're going to talk about cat people a lot.
Laura: Um, I got a lot to say about Schrader.
Ryan: Okay, well, why don't you just take it away?
Laura: So the synopsis for this film, as pulled from Letterboxd, is long. Are you ready?
Ryan: Uh, yeah. I can't wait.
Laura: After years of separation, irina and her minister brother Paul reunite in New Orleans in this erotic tale of the supernatural. When zoologists capture a wild panther, irina is drawn to the cat, and the zoo curator is drawn to her. Soon, Irina's brother will have to reveal the family secret that when sexually aroused, they turn into predatory jungle cats.
Ryan: Oh, is that it? I'm wondering if there was any stone unturned in that particular synopsis.
Laura: The one thing they didn't say is, uh, incest.
Ryan: Yeah. There is a lot of incest in this movie.
Laura: Well, no, there's attempted incest.
Ryan: Well, I mean, as we get into it, we find out that incestual leanings well, the only way they're able to contain their bestial urges is by having sex with each other.
Laura: Yes.
Ryan: Not to procreate, because that is wrong. And anyone listening, thinking, that's a good idea, you might need to go see a doctor.
Laura: Well, no, I think that is exactly what it is he says in the film. We are an incestuous race. Therefore, the only people that they can mate with are family. Their parents were probably brother and sister, um, who shot themselves in the head. And then they had these two and by race.
Ryan: They are cat people. They're not normal people. You shouldn't be having sex with your family. Leave the family out of it. Go.
Laura: Even if you're cat people, just don't fuck your brother.
Ryan: Yeah. There's some particular lore that I do not think is in the original 1942 version. I don't think there's even a mention of the word incest in the original version.
Laura: Paul Schrader had to make this sexy. And how else do you make a film sexy?
Ryan: Get your brother involved. Boom.
Laura: Um, that's how you do it. He knows what he's doing. He knows what he's doing. That's so fucking gross. I'm sorry.
Ryan: Does he really know what he's doing? This film was someone I know he's your boy. We all know why it was a success. Everyone was desperate to it's in a period where it's like everyone's desperate to see someone see other females naked on screen. They just flock to the cinema.
Laura: You get boobs, ambush, and butts.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: And tips of penises.
Ryan: The thing I say I'm not too sure if he knows what he's doing is this film's very kind of unbalanced, I feel.
Laura: Okay.
Ryan: It doesn't hit all the check marks that I feel like it's trying to hit. Neither as like a horror as a thriller. And I feel like it barely gets there with the erotic stuff, especially when.
Laura: You'Re getting to the erotic stuff. And then she turns into a terrifying monster.
Ryan: Yes. Um, I mean, that's one way to spice things up in the bedroom, but at the same time but that's the thing that's the lore that's brought into here is that any sort of sex with someone outside of your own race basically turns them into beasts.
Laura: It's unfortunate. It's certainly unfortunate. And I know that that's something that the filmmakers were wrestling with in the making of this film. Because initially it was meant to be know Irina. It was going to be. She was the only one that's got this kitty cat problem. And when she gets, uh, uh, aroused, she turns into a big cat. And then you have to murder someone to UNCAT yourself. So then they threw in Malcolm McDowell. They go, okay, he's going to be our sexy brother. And he also has a kitty cat problem. Therefore, you're in it together. So it doesn't make it feel so much as though she's nice when she's a virgin. She's pure, she's innocent. And as soon as she has a sexy thought, she's a monster or she's an animal.
Ryan: Uh, yeah.
Laura: Uh, which is a troubling, uh, theme.
Ryan: It's a bit of a dichotomy of a transparent, uh, for young females, obviously blossoming into womanhood. Um, indeed. Yeah. It's a little bit weird. But I mean, I don't know. He's your boy.
Laura: You should understand my boy and I'm fine. He doesn't have a lot of, in his films, female leads. And there's not a lot of female led stories that he's ever done.
Laura: As we were talking about in American jiggle. He has his lonely man theme, which.
Ryan: Is his classic theme, the CIS male, as he's now being referred to as by the millennial crowd. Um, yeah, I guess.
Laura: But I still like his movies. He's still my boy. Yeah.
Ryan: No, I mean, I don't have an issue with it. I look at it from the narrative standpoint and how the stories are told.
Laura: Really. He writes a lot of his own stories. He didn't write this one. He had a hand in rewriting the script for this one. But you write what you know.
Ryan: I've got a funny feeling. Write what you know. I'm glad he didn't know anything about this thing. Um, uh, I would say, yeah, he definitely has a hand in this. I mean, I'm just kind of like, how do you modernize cat people from 1942, which is just effectively a B movie, which is what it was. Um, but it's a good version of the B movie, I feel like, personally.
Laura: Yeah, it's very pretty. Um, and Natasha doesn't hurt at all.
Ryan: Well, I meant the original original, the 1942 one. I feel like.
Laura: You don't think this one looks good?
Ryan: I think it looks fine. It's got those schrader touches. I don't think it's his best work.
Laura: Those dream sequences are pretty cool.
Ryan: All the stuff in the desert is amazing. All that shit at the beginning where you're just like, what the fuck is this? And then the boy track comes in and it's complete fire. Fucking love all that stuff. The issue is the rest of it just feels a little bit overlong. And I guess you're saying, oh, it was only meant to focus on the girl, like Natasha's character. And I'm like, I mean, how empty would that film have?
Laura: Um know malcolm McDowell elevates this to an insane level. He's awesome.
Ryan: Yeah, he does.
Laura: He never hurts anything. He's.
Ryan: Uh yeah, he when he starts on this movie, he must be starving because he is eating up everything.
Laura: He is from the moment you see him. She walks off the plane, uh, and she's walking around and he's stalking her like little kitty cat, he is. And, um, he's just saucing her up from the moment he meets her. And I still have a hard time connecting the fact that they're meant to be siblings because it's gross. But because he's laying that sex so hard on her from the start, then it's difficult for me to accept that.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: She even says, um, a bunch of times, you're not my brother. You're not my brother. It's just because she doesn't want him to be because he's trying to get in her pants.
Ryan: Yeah, there's a lot of questions.
Laura: It's funny. It's like he's so desperate, they don't have to have sex. You know what I mean? You could go through your whole life without having sex with somebody. Yet for him as a character, he needs to have sex so badly. And he feels like the only time he can do it, uh, and be safe about it is to have sex with his sister. It was never an option to him to just not.
Ryan: Well, no, I think it's that the pair of them, because they're these cat people is that they're incredibly sexed up all of the time. They just can't get enough. They got to blow their load. They got to get off. But the unfortunate thing is that horniness then translates to this transformative metaphor that becomes this very literal metaphor where they become like a gigantic, dangerous fucking cat.
Laura: Sex animals, sex kittens.
Ryan: And that's one thing also. Oh, god. Yeah.
Laura: Sex kittens.
Ryan: Coming in thick and fast with your bullshit.
Laura: So proud of myself right now.
Ryan: But the thing is, all the cats are played by real cats.
Laura: Um, they did not hire out non cats to play the cats.
Ryan: There are no stuffed cats in this movie other than the one during the autopsy scene. Because they're not cutting open a real cat.
Laura: No.
Ryan: Um, and there's very good reasons why they're not cutting open a real cat. Because that seems awesome.
Laura: Yeah, it seems so cool.
Ryan: Um, but all the rest of the cats, they are all very real, very aggressive and very authentic. Like there's some really nice transitionary things with the use of the cat and how they transform and things like that. Because ah, you're not getting, uh, an American Werewolf in London transformation in this movie.
Laura: No. It's not drawn out. It's not long. But the parts that they do focus on are really interesting.
Ryan: It's better than in the company of wolves.
Laura: In the Company of Wolves has some cool stuff in it, though.
Ryan: That stuff looks ropey as hell because it's never in the dark. It's always in full brightness. And you're just like, yeah, it just looks a bit ropey.
Laura: At least with this shadows on that one.
Ryan: Well, at least in this. Most. Come on, Neil.
Laura: Jordan.
Ryan: Most of it is constrained to the shadow because mostly people have sex in the dark and at night. So it obviously works in Schrader's favor in this point. But some of the effects are ever so slight and they're only seen for brief glimpses. And I guess this is where the horror element comes in, is that you don't show too much. You kind of imply what's there so the audience can make it up in their own head because it's always scarier that way. He does that stuff really well. I guess it's just the rest of it kind of building up to a certain point. It just feels incredibly drawn out.
Laura: Yeah, I'm not going to disagree with you. The movie could be 30 minutes shorter.
Ryan: Fuck yeah. Easily 30 minutes shorter.
Laura: It would be easier to swallow. But I don't know.
Ryan: Yes. Not the incest though. Because incest is still a bad thing regardless of how you package it up.
Laura: Fair.
Ryan: So, uh, what's the tagline to this movie.
Laura: Okay. They are something more than lovers who are about to become something less than human.
Ryan: Okay.
Laura: Uh, I don't know for what it is. It's pretty on the nose.
Ryan: Yeah, it's pretty on the nose. Certainly when it's just like, they're going to become more than lovers, it's also kind of like if you know, going into it that they're brothers, you're like, Whoa, hold on.
Laura: Yeah, they are related, but they yeah.
Ryan: Assuming what they're getting at is that these cat people are like they're built to love, but unfortunately, that ability sexy love. That sexy love. They want to share. They're not able to because they'll turn into a beast and they'll rip you apart limb from limb.
Laura: You can do it little by little.
Ryan: What do you mean? Do it a little bit?
Laura: The maiming safely. If you do the sexy stuff safely, not with your brother.
Ryan: Okay.
Laura: Get it done.
Ryan: Well, then you just get Sting. Sting can just jump in because he does all that tantric love making stuff. He can just make it last for, like, fucking eight days.
Laura: Really?
Ryan: Yeah. That's what he does. Yeah. Just like, tantric sex stuff. That's cool that he does. I don't know how cool that is. I mean, that's like you're not able to ejaculate for, like, eight days because you're just like you're getting the pleasure. You're just keeping it going. Yeah, I guess so. I mean, that's the thing. That's what you can do when you got tons of money.
Laura: Spend eight days.
Ryan: Just waste your time. Spend eight days. Yeah. Maybe write a platinum album.
Laura: If he's got time.
Ryan: If he's got time. I'm an alien. I'm, uh, a legal alien.
Laura: Oh, it's it's funny. I forgot because I had watched this or we you were in and out, but I watched it, uh, a couple months ago.
Ryan: Yeah. Issue is, I saw it years ago, and then we only watched it not too long ago because we didn't know if it would be a candidate or not.
Laura: Yeah. I had to get in there and double check that scene, and this has nothing to do with that scene, but I forgot that they were circus performers, and I was waiting for them to juggle. And they did both of them juggled.
Ryan: They did a bit of juggling.
Laura: Um, did a bit of juggling. And I still wish I knew how to juggle. I really don't know how.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Had a book on it and everything.
Ryan: I mean, there's still time. I'd say get it done before the arthritis maybe takes over your hands. Oh, no. And then when you go to try and grab it, your fist obviously just clenches, and you can't grab anything with it. And then that's not a good thing. You can't juggle with a clenched fist.
Laura: You're absolutely right.
Ryan: So maybe sort it out sooner rather than later.
Laura: Okay.
Ryan: The time is now.
Laura: Okay, good.
Laura: We were talking about those transformations and I think the first time we do see a proper ish transformation is when what, uh, scene is it the first one that we actually see? Or is he already a cat when he goes to meet that prostitute where he's already a kitty cat in the room? Do you remember that part in the beginning, that really chatty prostitute.
Ryan: So the way I tried to categorize it is there's the redhead at the beginning, then there's a blonde one later on.
Laura: Okay.
Ryan: And then there's just the stuff with Natasha that happens later. So is this the first one? Is this the one who gets her ankle cut?
Laura: Yeah, that one.
Ryan: He's already well, no, he's already a cat.
Laura: He was already a kitty cat. I wonder why.
Ryan: Because he probably couldn't well, here's the thing. Now that I'm questioning, I'm like, yeah, why is he a kitty cat?
Laura: Because I thought he had to have and I'm never quite clear whether or not he has to just get aroused.
Ryan: Did he rub one out?
Laura: Maybe? Is that all it takes?
Ryan: I don't know.
Laura: I don't know the rules.
Ryan: I don't know.
Laura: But I think maybe he just your.
Ryan: Boy set the rules. I would like to know what the rules are.
Laura: Yeah, they're not clear. I think he was doing too much cocaine when they were filming this film.
Ryan: Is that actually true? You can't, uh, just make those sorts.
Laura: Of assumptions incredibly true. Okay, well, they lost an entire day of filming because he got too high in his trailer and then he told people, he goes, I can't do it today.
Ryan: Wow. Okay.
Laura: He was too stoned and he was too much cooking.
Ryan: Why can't anyone ah, why is life can be so much simpler? You know what I mean?
Laura: Yeah, but would it be as much fun?
Ryan: It's not that. Like if I was like, back home and I phoned in and I was just like, I can't come in today, like I am coked out of my face.
Laura: You'll probably be more productive.
Ryan: They'll be like, yeah, just don't bother coming back. It's like, what? What do you mean?
Laura: That scene, though, with that first prostitute and he's already a kitty cat. There's that transformation goo that you see a lot throughout the film and she's fingering this kitty cat goo on the yeah, way more than someone should be. You're up there to meet a john. Is that what you call them?
Ryan: A trick?
Laura: A trick.
Ryan: Do you play a trick? You meet your john.
Laura: I think it's a john.
Ryan: Let's say it's a john.
Laura: You meet your john and she goes up there chatting away, finger in this goo. And I'm thinking, darling, that's disgusting. You don't know what this guy looks like. You don't know how he's feeling. He could have a very severe cold and you're just touching this disgusting m.
Ryan: Yeah, uh, well, don't touch the goo. And then immediately start touching other people's genitals. That's not very good.
Laura: She was intending to do if he had come out not as a kitty cat.
Ryan: She was $25 for a, um, massage. And she's like, if that's all you have, that's all you get. And it's like, right, okay. And then she starts fingering the kitty phlegm.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: Um, some of that stuff could be a little bit better explained, but effectively, what the cat people are are that ancient like, centuries ago, in ancient civilization, families, uh, were sacrificing their children to these cats so that the souls of their children would inhabit the cats and effectively live forever and then become human beings themselves.
Laura: Sure.
Ryan: It's pretty much there was a lot of, uh, exposition.
Laura: There was maybe three different scenes of exposition.
Ryan: Yeah. And it kind of needs it to be fair. It doesn't need the timelines that kind of needs it so that you don't feel like, I'm completely lost.
Laura: If he straight up walked out there and said, we're from a race of ancient kitty cat people and we have to have sex with each other in order to not become cats, I'd go, okay, it doesn't have to be that long.
Ryan: Or just let it all kind of play out and just let us make our own decisions about what's happening. Just as an audience, I kind of.
Laura: Having rules instead of and then not totally or just, like, leave hearing to.
Ryan: Them, or leave a little bit of ambiguity there. Just so there's a little bit of mystery as opposed to that, because I don't have an issue with the ambiguity of, are they actually siblings? What connects them, and why has you not seen them in so long? And all this sort of stuff. That would make for a slightly more.
Laura: Interesting I know that answer. Because their parents killed themselves and they were sent off to different foster homes.
Ryan: Yes. Because they were also cat people.
Laura: Um meow.
Ryan: Yes.
Laura: And they were circus with the yes.
Ryan: But they were probably enslaved.
Laura: What? I thought they were cat trainers because they are good with the cats, because they're also cats. So they're not scared of cats because they have a kinship with them.
Laura: I don't think they were and you're right. I did, for a second, think maybe they were really well trained cat people at the circus, but I think they trained them. They trained the lions and stuff.
Ryan: Yeah. Well, I guess what they kind of find out is that there's no real escape from the torment that they're going through, because there's not really a kind of villain in this. It's kind of like, what drives them is this animal instinct that just kind of overcomes them. So you never, at any point, are just like, well, they're bad people. They're just cat.
Ryan: Just that's the danger of that's what happens when Kevin McAllister like, he just cannot daddy McAllister, he cannot stop having sex with Natasha Kaninsky. And look, to be honest all right. Yeah, that's fine. I don't like the idea because you said it during the film. You're like, well, he's a lad. What is he going to say no? And I'm like, yeah, of course he could. Of course he could say no.
Laura: I don't know if I could say no to her either.
Ryan: I'm sorry. I mean, maybe, uh, in my 20s, I'd be like, I don't know. I'll risk it.
Laura: He falls right asleep. But he does not know after having sex with her, he doesn't know. She doesn't explain the fact that, hey, I might turn into a man eating.
Ryan: Animal fucking kitty cat like you've seen already, like the ones that you deal with at the zoo.
Laura: So he doesn't know that that's a possibility. He just knows that she is scared for whatever reason. Probably because she's a virgin.
Ryan: Yeah. But to be fair, here's the thing. He does it the once, and he finds out and it's like, holy shit. What does he do?
Laura: Does it again without hesitation.
Ryan: Without hesitation. Ties her to the bed. And he's just like, I'll do this. Even then, I'm just kind of like I'm like, okay, you jumped right to.
Laura: The very end of the film. But that's okay.
Ryan: I mean, this has been out since the mean let's be fair. Um, yeah. That's what, four years ago now? Holy shit. That's four years ago since that film came out.
Laura: Oh my God. Yeah. It actually is the 40th anniversary this year. Look at us.
Ryan: Well, yeah. Obviously spoil the ending. But the only reason he has sex with her at the end is so that she can turn into a cat and then he can effectively imprison her and effectively, uh, that keeps everybody safe.
Laura: Well, no, she asks him. She says, set me free.
Ryan: Yes.
Laura: And she takes, uh, her boobies out. And he is effectively doing her favor. Because she asked that. She just said, I can't do this anymore. This is torment.
Ryan: I mean, technically, she's only done it twice. Yeah. She's only done it twice.
Laura: Well, she's been horny her whole life. Imagine that. Her whole life?
Ryan: Yeah. Not only does she have her first does she have her first sex, um, she then puts her fingers inside of herself and they're covered in blood. And where do those fingers immediately go? In her mouth.
Laura: Yeah. Because she's kitty cat.
Ryan: No. Is that what kitty cats do?
Laura: Well, she's a predatory cat. She likes blood.
Ryan: I don't know. I was like, well, there's some visual stuff in here that m I'm like.
Laura: I was also reading this article about Paul Schrader and Paul Schrader's women and how there's a lot of allusions to periods and women coming into their own and there's a lot of blood. Um, and then her being embarrassed about the blood, as though she's having her period for the first time, like Carrie or something. And it's so embarrassing for her. And it's just kind of weird. And that's part of it. I mean, that obviously the blood after the sex. I mean, you know what that is.
Ryan: It's very literal. Yeah. That's our hymen broken. Right, indeed.
Laura: Yes, doctor.
Ryan: Yeah. Yes. Right. Whatever. Um, yeah, I mean, it's an angle. Let's put it that way.
Laura: It's an angle before I don't want to forget this in that very first prostitute scene. I just want to go back to that, because after she was touching that cat goo, she realizes that she's in the room with a panther and she is screaming. She jumps out the door and she's going down the stairs, and the cat scratches her leg. But when she gets to the bottom of the stairs, she flips over and a bra pops off. And it's so hilarious because I was reading an interview with her and she was saying that, oh, I had to.
Ryan: It's completely unwarranted. Like, it doesn't need to, uh, happen.
Laura: She said that she had to do her own stunts when she was falling down the stairs and that Paul Schrader goes, hey, I think when you get to the bottom of the stairs, your bra should come off. And she goes, well, that doesn't make any sense. He goes, yeah, well, let's try it once and see what it looks like. She said, I think he just wanted every single woman to have her tits out in this film. And that is 100% true. Because every woman in this film, almost every woman gets her boobs out. 75% of them do.
Ryan: Yeah. I mean, it is the early eighty s. And, um, certainly this is an erotic thriller.
Laura: This is an erotic horror. I mean, you have to get no boobies out. Uh, you got to bring those. You got to sell tickets.
Ryan: Yeah, that's fine.
Ryan: I mean, I guess there's one of the reasons why we do this podcast is to bring back a level of equality to the cinematic mantle, which there.
Laura: Is not in this. No, there's not in this movie.
Ryan: I feel like that's just Schrader's thing. You know what?
Laura: It's just well, you got to give him something. At least we are talking about him. And there is Schrader thon, so at least he is. I don't think that he's consciously trying to put wieners in his film. And there's obviously, uh, the scale is tipped super far to the other side, yet he's doing it. He has done it. He's done it recently. And he's done it in the 80s.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: You got to give him that.
Ryan: Uh, yeah, no, I would give him that. I mean, I'm pretty sure that Jerry Brockheimer and Schrader, they had a little bit of a chat, and it's like, well, if we have more boobies in this movie, this film might make a lot more money.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: So there is, um know, I don't disagree. No. Do you remember the first time we saw Kevin McAllister's dad, and it's like they went a little bit too hard on the mascara?
Laura: You. Mentioned that. But I didn't know what you were talking about. You said he had a lot of makeup on.
Ryan: It's like he had a lot of makeup on. And he had, like, incredibly dark under the eyes. So it was like it was just mascara just under his eyes.
Laura: I'm just like makeup on that man. He's beautiful.
Ryan: I don't know. I mean, if that's kind of how that is. Like, if you're going to go to work to go catch Kitties, go catch kitty cats in hotel room or say hotel rooms. Uh, it's like a brothel house.
Laura: Yeah, I think that's what that was. Right?
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Do you remember I know you do. And I'm just bringing it up. I don't know why I'm saying, do you remember? You obviously do. When Ed Begley Jr. Who is in this film, thank God, goes to clean out the cat cages. And Paul Malcolm McDowell, who is a kitty cat, is very scared. And he's having a hard time because he's captured rips Ed Begley Jr's arm straight off his body.
Ryan: Yes. Well, the cat amazing. The cat does what the cat does best. And it's destroy everything in its wake.
Laura: Um, well, he's got to get a M murder under his belt. Otherwise he's not going to turn back into Malcolm McDowell.
Ryan: Yeah. He 100% needs to get a murder under his belt.
Laura: He didn't get that prostitute.
Ryan: Uh, no. Yes, that's exactly how he got caught. Um, but, uh, yeah, no, I remember that bit where he ripped his fucking arm off. Yeah. It's all right.
Laura: That's maybe the only real good bit of well, other than that other prostitute scene, that really good bit of horror. It's pretty gross. I loved it.
Ryan: Um, yeah, it's a lot of dismemberment and stuff in terms of the violence. And I guess I think this is a little bit smarter of Schrader, is that we see the aftermath more than we see the actual act of it. I guess it would be harder and it could even look slightly clumsy to get these big cats to try and attack things and make it look authentic. Because that's what happened in the original film. That does not look authentic at all. It's, um, about as bad as the squid from that deleted scene in The Goonies. It just looks terrible. Um, so M, I guess, like, that's obviously something that you you want to try and avoid. Plus the aftermath of a big cat, like, obviously ripping and tearing someone apart. And you see just what happens afterwards. I mean, that's when that second prostitute gets murdered. Like, um, a hands over here and her fucking body is in separate pieces. You can tell how much destructive power is, uh, behind some of these kitty cats.
Laura: And that brings us beautifully into our penis scene.
Ryan: Yes.
Laura: At, uh, 1 hour, eight minutes, and 2 seconds. Malcolm McDowell. Yeah, this happens. We're in the hotel room, prostitutes in the other room. And he is laying naked, very wet, on the bathroom floor of this hotel room, covered in that classic kitty cat goo.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: And he slowly gets up. It seems like he doesn't know what happened.
Ryan: Yeah, it seems painfully obvious he has no idea what's happened.
Laura: And as he's getting up, there it is. Well, I mean, just a bit.
Ryan: He doesn't know what specifically has happened. All he knows is that, oh, wait, no, I've turned back into a human. I must have murdered something.
Laura: Indeed.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: In the span of that, while he's standing up, he's naked. So you see his penis?
Ryan: Yeah. No. He's white, tiled floor. There's no blood in the bathroom. I guess that's to kind of give the mystique that we're not 100% sure what he has done. Um, but yeah, the first time we watched it, we thought, oh, uh, this is a blink and you'll miss it moment. We're not too sure what other version of Cat People we might have seen to the point where the moment itself wasn't effectively clear.
Laura: Which is why we didn't do this film earlier, I think, or at least.
Ryan: I was arguing to not do it at all because I remember painfully just not enjoying it particularly. Right.
Laura: It was a struggle to get him to agree to Schrader Thawn 2022 because he didn't want to do this movie.
Ryan: Well, the thing is, we can do Schrader Thawn because I like a lot of Schrader stuff. It's just the ones that have dicks in them are just like, uh, that's not true. Well, I mean, American Jiggle is all right. And I mean, what's the other one we're doing after this one?
Laura: Well, we're not going to tell them yet.
Ryan: Yeah, exactly. But you could probably make a wild fucking guess.
Laura: Uh, yeah. When we watched it originally, I don't remember seeing it. And you're uh right. It was a blink and you'll miss it kind of moment. When we watched it today, I don't know what version it was, but you.
Ryan: Definitely the clarity was a lot better.
Laura: Yeah, maybe it was.
Ryan: It was a much better version of the film that we watched today.
Laura: And it was on Stars streaming. So if you've got Stars because you're a big outlander fan, uh, you can watch Cat People, which I'm sure you already have.
Ryan: Yeah. You should be able to watch it if you have your stars and stuff. Thing is, when we first saw it was a little bit more widely available because it was on Prime, I think is where we saw it.
Laura: Yeah. I mean, it's been switching over from service to service. It was on prime and it was on Stars.
Ryan: Yeah. Prime has a habit of putting poor quality versions of films up there because I remember seeing The Abyss on prime. And my DVD version is better than the version of The Abyss that they put on prime. Weird, because it was the four three version and the Abyss already looks, for whatever reason, the transfer that they've done to the abyss. I mean, it looks like they've shot it through two or three different sheets of glass.
Laura: Oh, wow.
Ryan: And it doesn't has never looked, um, amazing. So hopefully, when Cameron comes out with his 4K remaster that he's working on, supposedly, at least for the last, like, god knows how many years, 20 fucking years, um, I'll be interested to see what that looks like. Yes.
Laura: Even better. On June 20, Eigth 2022, which should be really soon after this episode comes out, there will be a 4K Blu ray of cat people out by Scream Factory. You all can get on that. I know I will.
Ryan: Um, yeah, no, if you're going to see it, I would say watch it on Stars, because at least it's a nice, clear, HD version of the movie. Uh, you will, with a pretty solid guarantee, be able to see, uh, Malcolm McDowell's slimy, uh, Dick, um, in that scene, um, just after he's, uh, torn apart that poor, very nice, uh, prostitute.
Laura: Yeah. She was very understanding, very accommodating.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: He does eat his own cat goo, which was so disgusting. And I don't want to think about it staring at himself in the mirror.
Ryan: It's like someone picks their nose and then eats it afterwards. And he's just like it was a huge piece.
Laura: It was a big, massive size of a fried egg.
Ryan: It could have been that, or it could have been a piece of flayed flesh that's just ended up sticking to his person. And he's just, like, putting it in his, uh, way.
Laura: Either way, I know that Malcolm McDowell recalled that he felt awkward during the nude scenes in this film, which is interesting because he also considers himself to be a nude pioneer.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Uh, he said in an interview, he said, in fact, I was the first actor to do a nude scene with a woman. It was an if. Christine Noonan and I rolled around on a cafe floor off the A Three. I suggested it to her. I sidled up to her and asked if she would do it. And she said, yeah, all right. He says that he does a lot of nude scenes. And I personally don't consider it a nude scene if I just see your tush, because I have standards. This one counts. Clockwork orange counts. I haven't seen if yet.
Ryan: Yeah, I thought if would have been, uh, a contender for this, but it just might not.
Laura: We can check it out. I'm very happy because I've always wanted to see that movie.
Ryan: We own that on DVD. And I've seen it before. I just can't recall.
Laura: Isn't it part of a trilogy?
Ryan: I couldn't tell you anyway.
Laura: Yeah, he thinks he's a nude pioneer. He said that up to this point, he'd done ten nude scenes in other movies. And people just keep asking him to take his clothes off. Do you know what was funny? I was also watching an interview with him where he said that they wanted him to pump up, like pump some iron for the nude scenes in this film. And he's like, make them look a.
Ryan: Bit more beef cakey.
Laura: Beef cakey toned. And he's like, no, I'm an English actor. I don't really do that. He just said no?
Ryan: Yeah, he tried to do some arm.
Laura: Stuff and then he said, nah.
Ryan: Yeah. He's not got like a physical presence that you would probably expect from he's very slight. Yeah, but the thing is, it's all in his face. That's the thing. All of the shade. It's his face. It's like what he's doing. Because there is some things that he does with his body, but it's more like kind of uncharacteristic kind of full body moments. So he's not big. He's not buff. He's not bulky.
Laura: It's still very scary. That presence that he has is quite intimidating even from the first moment you meet him in this movie.
Ryan: Yeah. It's all to do with it. It's all in his face. It's all what he does with his eyes and stuff like that. And it does make more sense. Like, if they're going to be kitty cats, the pair of them would be more slight. They wouldn't be built like brick shithouses.
Laura: Streamlined.
Ryan: Yes. Silky. Smooth, slender.
Laura: It's funny how when we first watched this and I didn't see any nudity, and then we go to watch it again today because I was just going to sneak this in and make excuses for why we're doing this film on the podcast. But luckily we did see it. And I don't know why. It's just such a weird one. It's such a weird one because it's so interesting how you can see it sometimes. And sometimes you can't like a peekaboo.
Ryan: Yeah. I thought you were just talking about the film in general.
Laura: Oh, God. No. I meant his penis. But it's strange because I don't know that there's an unrated version of this movie. I think it's just the movie.
Ryan: I think it's just what it is.
Laura: Uh, I don't know.
Ryan: I don't know if there's a director's cut or if there's a different cut.
Laura: Uh, there's certainly movies that I don't want to give away my rating, but you can already tell what it's going to be. But I definitely think there's other films that do a better job of the male nudity than this one.
Ryan: I mean, that's fine. Like I say, I kind of feel.
Laura: Like this movie's not about I mean, certainly paul schrader wasn't making it about the.
Ryan: Kind of you can take cat people and basically, uh, compare it very directly to like and throat mythology, uh, and how that works in cinema. As know, it's like if they do transform and they rip out of their own clothing, eventually when they do change back to being a human being, they're not going to be wearing their clothing. They're not like the Hulk, who, funnily enough, his trunks just shrink back to normal size when he turns back into Bruce Banner. That just doesn't work.
Laura: You know what's weird about this movie is when they do change, it looks like their skin is ripping off. And then you've got the cat underneath a lot. Like, uh, the company wolves.
Ryan: Yeah, it's kind of like a snake.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: It's like they're shedding their skin and then they're always operating from the inside out. Uh, Harry on, which I think is fucking cool.
Laura: It is cool, because then you don't really understand how they can turn back. Because I don't think you ever see that part. No, you only see the turning into a cat.
Ryan: Well, remember, it was always about the souls inhabiting the animal. So it's always going to be working from the inside. Uh, where I guess maybe with other sorts of transformations is that they change and then they kind of shrink back in. So everything kind of kind of like a blowfish. So like the pines come out and then they go back inside again and that sort of idea. But with this, it's almost as if the soul inhabits, and then they just shed it away. So all that goop you see there is like the excess skin and the fur, and then it's the human being. Then they change back into a can. It's just the excess skin and the fur and all that sort of thing. Exhausting, probably. And I mean, I guess, like, if you're that horned up all the time.
Laura: Then, uh, much sex as he has.
Ryan: Yeah. 24 hours boner. Like I don't know. I don't really know.
Laura: It's exhausting.
Ryan: You know what's really cool about this movie?
Laura: What?
Ryan: There's an orangutan watching TV called BJ.
Laura: BJ and the bear.
Ryan: BJ. No, the orangutan is called BJ.
Laura: I know, but the show BJ and the Bear.
Ryan: I don't know. Were they watching BJ and the no.
Laura: No, but BJ and the Bear is about a man and his, um so I thought that's why they called him BJ.
Ryan: Probably. All right. Okay. Well, that makes sense.
Laura: And they drove ah, a semi truck.
Ryan: And then that's just Every Which Way but which lose that Clint Eastwood couple of movies.
Laura: I don't know why there's so many shows about people driving semi trucks and.
Ryan: Then because that shit sells seats.
Laura: An ape or a monkey.
Ryan: That's what they need to do. I mean, before Clint Eastwood kicks the bucket, like, he needs to make another movie with Clyde and just go traveling across the United States with an orangutan in his truck.
Laura: No thanks.
Ryan: Okay, that's fine. But you're perfectly okay with incest anyway. Whatever.
Laura: I like what I like.
Ryan: You don't like the monkeys, but yeah, I guess so.
Laura: I'm trying to remember the other parts that I liked, and I know specifically one of them was that dissection scene when the autopsy m. Malcolm, uh, McDowell actually ends up dying.
Ryan: What do you mean? What are you talking about?
Laura: When Paul when the brother dies, and then they get the cat body and he dissects, right?
Ryan: Yeah, yeah, but he's dead by that point. The cat's definitely dead.
Laura: I know he's dead. I'm just saying that he is the cat and then they dissect him.
Ryan: Well, that's how we're able to figure out that it works from the inside, outside. Because when they cut the cat open, it's literally, uh, like human body parts that are coming out of it.
Laura: Yeah, it's his hand.
Ryan: Yeah. And then it actually melts away.
Laura: It just flops right out of the cat's body. It was so cool.
Ryan: Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Laura: And then it just awesome. Explodes in a puff of green putrid.
Ryan: Smoke, a giant fart, and then it just melts away. It's crazy.
Laura: So good. The only other things I have are fun tidbits, if you're ready for those.
Ryan: Uh, yes.
Laura: Okay.
Ryan: Give me some fun. At least something to grasp a hold.
Laura: Of, as you all probably know, as you follow him, because who doesn't want to hear about Giorgio Moreder? But he composed the score to this film, and this is the second film he's done with Paul Schrader after American Gigolo, and he had pretty much composed the whole score. But then Paul Schrader asked David Bowie, as you do, hey, man, would you make a title song for this movie I'm doing?
Ryan: Yeah, any opportunity to work with Bowie, I suppose.
Laura: Hell, yeah. So then I guess David Bowie met with Morodor in Switzerland and they went out and they had breakfast, they went to the studio, and then in two or three takes, they had the song. But this song is super popular. It was used in other movies. I don't remember them in the other movies. I only remember it from this film. But it was in Inglorious Bastards and Atomic Blonde. But the funny thing about this particular session is that Queen was also in that same studio recording an album. And that's where Bowie met Queen. And then they ended up collaborating on Under Pressure.
Ryan: Huh. Well, there you go.
Laura: So we can thank Cat people and Paul Schrader for that.
Ryan: I like I like the version mean, they call it the cat people theme in the movie.
Laura: Yeah, it's cat people. And then in quotes, putting out Fire. Yeah, I thought or in parentheses, putting out fire.
Ryan: Yeah. I thought it was just called Gasoline. No, because there's another version of that song that's kind of a little bit more poppier.
Laura: I think it's on let's Dance, I think, is the album.
Ryan: It's 100% on let's Dance, which is arguably not one of Boys best albums. It's got, like, two or three really good songs on it.
Laura: It's got. Let's dance on it.
Ryan: I mean, it's also got China Girl on it. And I don't know what kind of day we live in now, but, uh, it's a little bit suspect.
Laura: Uh, it's still a good song, though.
Ryan: Yeah, it's got a catchy. Catchy. I mean, yeah. If you just don't listen to the content of the song, you're fine. Um, yeah, no, I never really liked that song. Like the lyrics, like the way it worked, but the way that it works in the movie, I'm like. Yeah, that's pretty cool because it's got all the drums. It's kind of like to use the word, uh, tribal, I suppose. It's got that kind of theme going for it, so it kind of makes sense. And it's a nice kind of, uh, stylistic touch to a lot of that desert imagery, which, again, is the best stuff in the movie. The desert shit. You might not like the rest of it, but the desert stuff no fucking joke. Is easily some of the best stuff in the film.
Laura: It's good. And remember earlier today when we watched that Marilyn Manson and Shooter Jennings remake of this song where Marilyn Manson is just straight channeling or attempting to channel David Bowie, and it's ten minutes long and there's a 16 bit music video that they made for it and there's 16 bit boobies.
Ryan: Yeah, it's not I didn't think we'd bring up Marilyn Manson.
Laura: I wrote it on the list, so I was going to bring it up.
Ryan: I guess. So he's not good. He's not good people. He's not good people. He shouldn't be touching cat people.
Laura: He loved cat people.
Ryan: Yeah, there's other things he seemed to have loved as well which weren't good.
Laura: Like the removal of his ribs. Did that actually happen?
Ryan: No, this is something that I brought.
Laura: Is that an urban legend?
Ryan: No. Well, I was like we spoke about this ages ago, and I mentioned that Michael, uh, Jackson had a button in his spine so that he could press it so that he would flop over on himself, like bend over so that he could suck his own dick.
Laura: Mhm.
Ryan: Now, the urban legend itself, if you read it up online, it basically relates to Prince, but he got two of his ribs taken out so he could effectively suck his own dick. And then that myth moved on to Marilyn Manson.
Laura: I had not heard of anyone else other than Marilyn Manson that this was attributed to.
Ryan: No, it seemed to move. It was the same like we mentioned Richard Gere with the Gerbil and stuff like last episode. That also is a complete urban mean. Uh, who knows? Who knows? It's none of our business.
Laura: People do in their own homes. None of my business.
Ryan: Yeah, but hold no, no, you can't say that because you can't start involving little animals with your anal play. And certainly you should not be bringing your family into the bedroom. Okay either. It's gross.
Laura: What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, right?
Ryan: Okay. Probably south of the fucking border.
Laura: Um, I also just realized that Giorgio Marauder also did the score for two adrian Lin films. And you know how much I love Adrian Lin. Also my boy Flash. Uh, dance and foxes.
Ryan: I like the music in this. It's got that 80s electronic keyboardy shit going on.
Laura: It's my favorite it's probably my favorite type of music other than Jimmy Buffett.
Ryan: It's great.
Laura: It's Cynthia. I love the mood of it. I think that it's really just nice.
Ryan: Chill, kind of it reminds me a lot of the music, uh, to Witness. Witness has a very similar sort of score. The Thing is, the only thing I would say, and I guess it's only because modern films have adopt that sort of style now, is that it immediately dates certain movies that sort of musical style. Same with as much as I love to live and die in La. It's very much an 80s movie. Like, it cannot be. It can't escape from those trappings. Doesn't make it any less of a film. It's just like although that's definitely an 80s movie.
Laura: Maurice Jar.
Ryan: Maurice Jar. There we go. So, uh, he experimented a lot with keyboards and stuff like that. The score to Witness is amazing.
Laura: Yeah. He also did, uh, as we were talking about semi truck movies, he also did the score for over the Top.
Ryan: Hell yeah. That movie is overrated.
Laura: That movie is not overrated. That movie is not overrated.
Ryan: It's overrated.
Laura: That movie is also very weirdly incestual. So it's awesome. Not because of the incest, not because of that creepy relationship he has with.
Ryan: His like, what is it that I'm learning? Like, what is it about this where you're just no. Yeah.
Laura: Do you know the director, Roger Vadim?
Ryan: Uh, no, not off the top of my head.
Laura: He did. And God created woman and Barbarella.
Ryan: Oh, Barbarella. I know. Yeah. He was sexy movie.
Laura: Oh, yeah, that's right. He was originally set to direct this, and then I think things were kind of going in flux between Universal, who had bought up all the RKO films, their whole catalog.
Ryan: Okay.
Laura: So they were trying to remake all of these films. It's around the same time that The Thing came out. What was the other one? Was it the Day the Earth Stood Still? I think it was something like that.
Ryan: But they didn't remake that until the 2000s. That was okay. That was a 50s movie.
Laura: I've got it wrong.
Ryan: Archeo. Uh, also owned King Kong.
Laura: Okay, well, they were trying to which.
Ryan: They already remade in the 70s anyway, with Jeff Bridges.
Laura: Oh, yeah. They were trying to remake all of these films. And, um, this was one of them in that kind of spell. But I don't think this and especially The Thing, was not a huge commercial success like they thought it would be.
Ryan: No. As much as, uh, the thing. It's a phenomenal film.
Laura: So good.
Ryan: Yeah. Cat people does not cast a shadow on the thing. There's no way.
Laura: So the last thing that I have to mention is regarding Paul Schrader and Natasha Kinsky, who had an affair during the production. I don't know if you would call it an affair necessarily, but they were sleeping together. And Schrader said that I mean, you.
Ryan: Would call that, um, an affair.
Laura: But I mean, if they're single, is that an affair? I don't know what their relationship status was.
Ryan: It still counts. It still kind of refers to know.
Laura: Sure.
Ryan: It's like it's how they put it in the media.
Laura: Okay. Well, he said that during the actual shooting of the film, I became involved with Natasha Kinsky and became obsessed with her. Um, but then after that, she cut off all communication with him. And then three months later, he tracked her down in Paris. Peter Biskin, uh, wrote in his book easy Writer, Raging Bulls that, uh, Schrader's friend John Milius, uh, said that kinsky said to Schrader, paul, I always fuck my directors. And with you it was difficult.
Ryan: Holy shit. So what? John Milius is in the room when this is happening?
Laura: I guess.
Ryan: Holy fuck. What a scene that would be.
Laura: I know.
Ryan: Jesus Christ. Fucking Conan. Conan. Directors there.
Laura: What a fucking party that was.
Ryan: Those books are amazing. If anyone's not read at least those two books, easy Riders. Raging Bulls is easily one of my favorite books. And he adapted it into a subpar documentary because they couldn't obviously put all the info in it. But he also did, um, down in dirty pictures, which is the rise of Miramax. Whether or not you're interested in any of that stuff because of the Harvey Weinstein shit, it's still interesting to kind of see it from that man's perspective.
Laura: But Schrader didn't direct anything for about three years after this. So the romance basically broke him so hard that he had to move to Tokyo. And then he ended up making a biopic about Yukio Mishima.
Ryan: Yeah, he did the mishima life in four chapters movie.
Laura: Next thing he did after that, he basically had to just get out of.
Ryan: Yeah, that came out in 85. Um, well, no. I mean, he didn't make a film for three years. He made the relatively middle of the road Cat people movie. And then he makes probably one of the greatest films of all time.
Laura: What's interesting is that on a table on a bedside table in this film is a Mishima book.
Ryan: I'm sure he probably had it in his head for a while. A lot of these writers and directors, they always have a few irons in the fire. So that doesn't surprise me.
Laura: So you know how everyone hates Roman Polanski?
Ryan: Oh, I wonder what for.
Laura: So apparently Roman Polanski said oh, um, no, that he had an affair with, uh, Natasha Kinsky when she was 15, for fuck's sake. And he said that it happened. And it was like in an interview in 1994. And he was like, what about Natasha Kinsky? She was young. We had a love affair. Yeah, she was 15. And then later on, it was 1999. Uh, Natasha Kinsky was asked about it. And she said there was a flirtation, there could have been a seduction. But there wasn't. He had respect for me. So I don't know. She did say she fucks all of her directors.
Ryan: Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I feel like maybe that's maybe posturing more on her part, like saying that sort of thing. Whether that's something I feel like she actively does. But at the end of the day, it takes two to tango. Polanski, we know is a monster. Uh, he probably shouldn't be consenting to having sex with someone who's well under the age of consent. Uh, yeah. Uh, he doesn't get a fucking pass.
Laura: No, he doesn't.
Ryan: There's been so much incest and pedophilia and all sorts of stuff getting rattled around for the last hour. I think we should just close this up and I'm going to get you sectioned.
Laura: Um, I don't really have a lot of awards. Uh, the only awards that it was nominated for were, uh, Song and Creating Monsters. Yes.
Ryan: Yeah. You included.
Laura: Well, we learned a lot today.
Ryan: We have many questions, need answers, very much like the incredible lines of this movie.
Laura: So Ryan, would you recommend this movie?
Ryan: I'd say like Cat People falls under the bracket of being a curiosity. I feel like it's already quite a cultish film. And I think there's more good than bad here. It's just a shame that the bad stuff kind of just weighs it down just a little bit. But there is some interesting and there is some cool stuff in it. I think it is definitely worth at least one watch. Or at least if you feel like you're getting bored, you can't switch off because a lot of the cool stuff is near the beginning.
Laura: Yeah. No, I would also recommend this movie. I think it's fun. I think my memory of this film is usually more fun than actually watching it. So my memories and all the parts that I really liked tend to stick out more than in my memories. But I would recommend it. I think it's fun. Malcolm McDowell. Awesome. Natasha, awesome.
Laura: But before we go, I do want to ask you about your rating for the film.
Ryan: Do you want the film or do you want the dick scene rating for Dealer's Choice? Well, the dick scene gets like a two, um, because it's so massively brief. And I use massively in speech marks. Um, but also, I just think the film's just over long. And there are certain things about it that beg questioning. And I think if you just left a, uh, greater level of mystique over the whole thing, you would probably have had a better film at the end of it. And also, Kyle, like half an hour. You would have had a better film as well.
Laura: Okay.
Ryan: So I'm going to say two and a. Half out of five.
Laura: Indeed. Okay. So for the film, I'm going to give it a three because I enjoy how sweaty it is because it is in New Orleans. You like to have a nice sweaty film. I think John Heard is given some William Peterson vibes, which is always appreciated. Malcolm I wouldn't go that far, but still, vibes. I said vibes. And Malcolm McDowell's a powerhouse. I remember meeting him once and being in the same room as him and it was very exciting. And I didn't talk to him. I think I just said hello, like a weirdo. But he's right, you know, and Kinsky amazing. Everyone's everyone's great. I think everyone's given it everything. They got three stars for the film. Definitely could have cut out some. And I do think that the insane relationship and the insane amount of cocaine that was going around the set probably helped with how insane the movie is. Uh, you don't think it lent a hand in any sort of way?
Ryan: You can only say that on the basis of hindsight being 2020 in that, uh, we'll never know what the film could have been without the inclusion of massive amounts of cocaine.
Laura: Okay. And for the dick scene, I'm going to give it, uh, a one and a half because that's what I'm going to give it. I don't think you saw that much. I was surprised you saw the tip. And I do get very annoyed when things and legs are in spots that you don't expect them to be. And they're only really there to hide things.
Ryan: That's weird that his legs might get in the way since his dick is in between them.
Laura: No, you would put your leg forward. What are you talking about? You'd hide your left leg would hide it from the camera since it's shooting that way.
Ryan: Mhm.
Laura: Anyway, it was okay, but that's just me. Could have seen more, of course.
Ryan: Yeah, but then you're also like you've got this kind of perverted streak that we're now obviously seeing now it's not a streak. 26 episodes into it. And obviously you'revealing so much about your.
Laura: Personality from the moment you met me.
Ryan: Uh, yeah, I'm disgusting. Yeah, you're demanding. And certainly I feel like it's verging on Troubling.
Laura: Well, thank you. Thank you for seeing the real me.
Ryan: Look, you don't have to say thank you.
Laura: I appreciate it.
Ryan: Okay. No, you'll see Rocky stop saying stop it.
Laura: Just stop it.
Ryan: No, it's not shouldn't be celebrated.
Laura: And thank you for being here with me today, Ryan. Uh, come again soon for part three of Schrader Thawn in two weeks time. Well, depending on when you're listening to this, but I'm stoked for my boy Schrader. I'm stoked to talk about it. He's working on another film right now. I, um, can't wait to see it. All my boys are making movies right now. All my boys. We've got a verhoeven. We've got Adrian Lin. Now we got my boy. Shrades. This is a good year. This is a good year for films.
Ryan: Uh, I'm very yeah. Yeah.
Laura: Coming to you from the New Orleans Zoo. Be careless out there, guys. I have been Laura.
Ryan: I've been Ryan.
Laura: And we'll see you next time. Meow RA.
Ryan: Why won't this finish?