Get Rich or Die Tryin' (2005): directed by celebrated Irish playwright Jim "My Left Foot" Sheridan, you'd expect a bit more "bravery" here but hey, listen to us give our two cents (or half-dollar) about this 'just fine' addition to the genre.
There's only way to make money in this world. There's no excuses according to this movie. This is THE only way to make money. Or die in the process of doing so. Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson's acting debut in the loose telling of his life story, titled after one of his albums. He does a decent job as the lead in this film among the heavyweights he's against but really, the term "paint-by-numbers" comes to mind.
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Hey, guys, thank you so much for downloading and listening to this episode of On The Bitte. Have you rated or reviewed us yet? If not, why? The best way for us to grow is by sharing us with your friends and rating and reviewing us wherever you get. Your podcasts. Spotify has a new rating feature right on our podcast front page. It is super easy and the more five star ratings and reviews we get, the better it is for us to grow. If you screenshot and DMs your review, we'll share the most flattering ones on an upcoming episode. Thank you so much for listening and your support is marvelous and appreciated. Um, well, hello there and welcome to On The Bitte, the podcast that uncovers fullfrontal male nudity in cinema. My name is Laura, and I am joined by my beloved co host, Ryan.
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I'm her husband.
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That's true.
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Uh, yeah.
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You're so much more than just my co host.
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Yes.
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But today you are first and foremost.
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Well, at least for the next 50 minutes, I'm your cohost.
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Absolutely. And I brought you here today to talk about the 2005 hip hop crime drama Get Rich or Die Trying.
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Yeah. The hip hop crime drama, just so we can distinguish it from all the other crime dramas.
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It also has a hip hop element.
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It does?
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It does.
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Yeah. I don't know.
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I don't think this movie has a lot of hip hop, to be honest.
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No, it doesn't.
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It's a gangster rap crime drama.
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Yeah, it's 50 Cent. Gangster rap.
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Gangster rap probably is.
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Right.
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Semi autobiographical crime drama.
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Yeah. We'll get into the biographical side of the film.
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Um, well, it starts with relative detail. 50 Cent or Curtis Jackson as Marcus.
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The Half Dollar Man.
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The Half Dollar Man. Um, Terence Howard is Bama. Joy Bryant as Charlene and Viola Davis as Grandma. There's other people in this movie.
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Yeah. There's quite a big ensemble, like a big black ensemble cast in this movie that they've been able to, um, put together. I would say the strongest thing about this film is the cast.
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Oh, yeah.
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It's a very well put together cast. It's just a shame the story doesn't really substantiate or at least get the most out of its cast, I feel, which is a shame.
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It's a good story, and the cast is, as he said, very well put together. But this, uh, movie is pretty boring.
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Yeah. The movie is a little bit dull.
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Weird. It's strange that it is because especially this is the film or a film that has a lot of elements that you, Ryan, quite enjoy.
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I'm no stranger to enjoying hiphop crime dramas. No, I mean, I guess, like, just a lot of black cinema, like, black voices in cinema. So I put myself out there. I say I really like Spike Lee, like the Hughes brothers, like John Singleton, and also, um, it appeals to me.
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Do you think that this film is at a disadvantage from being written and directed by two white men.
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I don't know, because there's plenty of other films of this Elk that are directed by, uh, white people or not specifically white people, but people who are not black, I guess. But I will say that this film does not benefit from, um. I guess what they need to do is they kind of need to lean in the story a little bit because it is a little bit too chunky for its own good. So certainly in the writing, they needed to trim some stuff out of it just to kind of make it a bit leaner.
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We need to get into the synopsis and everything as well. But as we were talking about it, why don't you tell us about our director, Jim Sheridan?
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So, Jim Sheridan is such a weird combination.
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I agree.
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Irish playwright, directs $0.50 semi autobiographical telling of his life story. You know what I mean? Like, it's very weird. Like, it clashes a bit. Or at least like on paper you feel like it clashes a fair amount. But Jim Sharon, he's a celebrated film director, an Irish playwright, and, um, this is just a selection of some of the stuff I quite like from him. Probably, um, his best film or his most well known film is My Left Foot, which was obviously Daniel D. Lewis playing, uh, a painter who uses his left foot to paint.
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Right. Um, sorry. Go on.
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Oh, boy. Yeah. This is a short episode. Um, Danny J. Lewis got the Oscar for this movie. I, um, quite like this movie. It's very sad, though, so I'm not going to be like, well, let's sit down and enjoy this. He worked with Daniel Day Lewis again, In The Name of the Father in 93, Don't Call the Boxer in 97. In America, 2002, Get Rich or Die Trying comes out, obviously, in 2005. But another film that we watched recently, which has a couple of our favorites in it, is brothers from 2009, uh, which, um, is obviously Jake Gyllenhaal and Tobey Maguire.
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I love that movie.
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And Natalie Portman's in that.
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It's got my favorite. Yeah, my favorite.
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Well, that kind of comes out, or at least it's out during the time where there's a surge in like, post war, like, PTSD, Afghanistan, like post 911 cinema, because we got like, The Hurt Locker and The Valley of Ella and all that sort of stuff, like around about the same time.
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Right.
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So there is that so not much kind of Noble other than what I've kind of mentioned for Jim Sheridan. He did work in TV, and he's done one music video for Shiny O'Connor in 94 for You Made Me The Thief of Your Heart.
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Okay.
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How nice. Yeah. I don't really have an awful lot in Jim Sheridan. I always kind of was like, that's a, uh, very strange kind of pairing. Now, I would say this film is relatively quite dense, but it's also a little bit too fatty in its denseness.
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It's interesting. You would say it's quite dense because I felt like there are moments which feel very rich and very intense. And then there's another third of the movie that's just floaty and flighty and feels like it's not anchored to anything.
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It just needed to get to the point a little bit quicker. And then also there's quite, uh, a grim. And I guess this is more towards the end of the movie where it kind of goes against the hallmarks of the gangster genre, uh, by effectively celebrating and condoning the horrible things that Curtis Jackson's character does in this film to basically become a success.
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Correct. Yeah, I agree.
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And it goes against the elements of the gangster genre, which is effectively like if you live the life of a gangster, that's effectively like the whole point of their arc is that there's an eventual downfall. Like they shouldn't be rewarded for doing horrible things. And you can scale that from any number of gangster films, starting from like the 19 series when the original Scarface came out.
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Yeah, you're absolutely right.
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Yeah. And this kind of goes against that. I kind of feel like it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
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Yeah. Some horrible stuff happens at the end. But then he is.
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Yeah. So I guess there's elements of that. And also because it's semi autobiographical, I kind of start to question the legitimacy of his true story, if I could correct there.
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You know what, let me just pop in the synopsis because I haven't grabbed that yet. So the synopsis from Letterbox is a tale of an inner city drug dealer who turns away from crime to pursue his passion rap music.
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Yeah. See, now that's all fine. And. Well, I think because what we see is we see it's a weird thing like how they do this in the story. And I'm obviously not going to give too much away because it doesn't really. It's not going to lend anything to our argument to kind of explain every single beat of this movie. We're just going to kind of pick away at it. It starts a pivotal, uh, moment in his life as an adult and then flashbacks all the way back to him being a kid. And then we see him growing up and basically we track his basically a descent into the criminal underworld, effectively where he's like pushing drugs. He's pushing dimebags like an eleven year old kid. He's got like a gun. Um, his mother has been murdered and he's living with his grandparents.
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Yes.
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Who also are, um, housing, like twelve something other children at the same time. So, you know, he's struggling to get an education. He basically knows nothing but the streets and he's just kind of making his way up the, uh, criminal underworld, selling drugs and stealing money. That's effectively what it is.
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Yeah. He becomes the best at being a bad boy.
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Pretty much. Um, obviously. And I'm assuming it's for the safety of himself and everybody else. Um, there are obviously certain elements of the story that rang true because there was a moment, obviously, where Curtis Jackson, he was shot, like, nine times.
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Yeah. In real life.
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In real life. And he was shot in the face, and all that stuff is shown in the movie. And then, obviously, his rehabilitation to becoming a rap superstar, so to speak, that's all kind of mapped out and makes sense. And obviously it's something that grew in him gradually as opposed to. Well, I was gun running and gangbanging and selling people drugs, but I found music. It's not really been that way.
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Right. Do you want to know the tagline?
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Yeah.
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If you think you know the story, you don't know the man.
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Yeah. I never liked, um, that.
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No, because I didn't know the story. And I don't really know the man either. I don't feel like I came out learning too much. Seems like a good person. Maybe.
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The thing is, if you take this story as verbatim, it would, um, come across that he's a horrible, uh, evil individual.
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You think so?
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Yeah. I mean, just because he decides he's not going to shoot a Colombian in the face and just shoot him in the leg, I don't think that's justification for some of his actions.
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Yes. I guess there was a point where he was going out and his girlfriend asked if he killed somebody. Right. He says no. Uh, but I should have. Yeah.
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It's not justification for, like, you're still doing something bad. Like, it doesn't matter if you killed someone or not. I mean, that's probably one of the most important fucking crimes you can commit on a single person in your lifetime. But at the same time, you're kind of just like, well, I wanted to see at least, like, a bit more of a level of remorse for his character. But unfortunately, as a gangster in this movie, he's not really doing much to redeem himself other than he's vocalizing it and putting it into his music. The idea that someone turns his back on them and shoots him nine times, I don't feel like that's enough justification for how this film ends.
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But he also has a baby.
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Yes. That should be justification enough to kind of change your life around and things.
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But then he had the baby first and then went to Rob a store. So he maybe should have thought about the fact that he had a family and someone to take care of before he went, uh, and tried to Rob that place and then get shot.
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Yeah. But then I guess there's also an element of that where it comes from a place of desperation. He knows nothing. He's not just going to go get a job. I mean, he also kind of has a go at his grandfather at one point by basically saying, like, he's not going to be.
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That he's not going to make clean floors.
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Clean floors and stuff, which is, for most part, intents and purposes, it's an honest living.
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Yeah. But better than selling drugs.
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Yeah. I think what I'd want to talk about, and I don't really want to talk about the film itself because I think the film is very middle of the road. Let's talk about how the film effectively came to be and why it ended up in the hands of someone like Jim Sheridan.
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Do you know the story? Because I do not.
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Well, Curtis Hanson's Eight Mile came out in 2000. Uh, and two.
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Okay.
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So very much that set the template for what get Richard eye trying is going to be right. Which is effectively like, uh, if you think about Eight Mile is the beginnings of M and M. Marshall Mathers. Like that whole story, I feel like it's a little bit more intimate. It's a little bit easier to get into.
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And I feel like spaghetti.
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Yeah. But effectively, like, 8 Miles is just Rocky, except with rap music. That's what it is.
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Okay.
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Already kind of takes the formula from the Rocky movies, and it just puts into round battles.
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Okay. That's interesting.
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I never think about that.
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No, I never think about Eight Mile.
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Okay.
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Eight Mile never comes up in my.
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Honestly, I think that movie is all right.
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It's not bad.
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That films. That's a good four star movie.
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I think I saw it in the theater. Never thought about it again.
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Right.
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Except for spaghetti.
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I like it. Yeah. Palms are sweaty, mom's spaghetti. So, yeah, if, uh, it wasn't for 8 Miles, then we wouldn't have a Half Dollar Man story. But certainly because it's kind of drawing from his. I'm assuming because it's drawing from his life story. He's also involved quite heavily in the writing.
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I'm assuming he said that he went in and was practicing. He hired an acting coach, but then when they actually went to film, the script was entirely different. So I don't know.
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Okay. So all I can maybe say is that if that's the case, they've effectively kind of taken his story. Didn't think it was dramatic enough to make cinematic.
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I don't know if he had anything to do with it. I haven't seen anything to where he had any hand in writing it.
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That seems a bit mhm weird. That doesn't make any sense. Certainly if they're going to use his kind of the basis of it. Uh, well, I mean, you say, like, he took classes and stuff like that. Samuel L. Jackson was paying for a role in this movie. He pulled out, basically saying that he had zero confidence, uh, in 57 due to his lack of experience. Uh, basically saying that he was an experienced and unproven. Which isn't wrong. Maybe there's a more tactful way of putting it.
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Yes. I think that's a little unfair to do that.
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Everyone starts somewhere. And I don't think Curtis Jackson is amazing in this movie. Um, but he's not bad.
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No, he's certainly not bad. And it's interesting because he had that acting coach on set with him first day, and Jim Sheridan said, Get this acting coach out of here, because if your acting isn't good, it's my fault. As a director. Get out of here. Acting coach.
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Get fuck out of my office. I have no idea. I was in the middle of drinking.
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You know how they ended up getting in contact? Jim Sheridan and 50 Cent. No, apparently Bono introduced them. Okay, I didn't think we talked about you, too, on this podcast, but.
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No.
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Yeah, okay. Apparently, um, Sheridan was interested in meeting him and talking to him about his story. Okay, so Bono introduced them. I don't know how they knew each other.
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But they work in the music, uh, industry. $0.50 one of the biggest current acts, uh, of all time. And obviously, you, too, cannot prevent themselves from invading people's personal space with their music. So it, um, would make sense. Honestly, I feel like The Edge would have just fed a guitar just as a door was closing and just be like, Half Dollar Man. We need to talk.
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Maybe we have more shower scenes than we thought.
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Yeah. I mean, Eastern Promises. This is not.
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No, but it's pretty good. Yeah, it's not as good as Eastern Promises.
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No, there's a kind of like. I mean, I guess we'll just get into it because I don't really have much else to say if you're interested in seeing this. It's very much the paint by numbers kind of gangster movie. Really?
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Yeah.
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This scene itself kind of sets it apart from, uh, a lot of those, though. This seems very brave for what they're trying to do.
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Yeah, it's pretty good, I have to say. So this scene comes in at an hour, 1 minute, 25 seconds about just right smack dab in the middle of the film. And it is a prison shower scene.
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You know how I like a prison film?
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I know you love a prison film.
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I got really excited when they all went to prison.
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Yeah. Love the prison film.
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Love a prison movie for whatever reason.
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And good. Golly. Do we have a shower scene? Yes, which is always tense. No one likes to shower in prison. Uh, we know there are many jokes about dropping soaps and all that sort of thing. You had a line of inmates down the hallway. I think you only have six people showering at a time. And there's the guards watching you, maybe 1015ft away from you, but someone comes, uh, out with a Shiv.
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Nasty Shiv. Shank.
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What's the difference?
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Shiver a shank. I don't know where.
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I think you get shanked with a Shive, maybe.
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Well, he was completely naked.
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You get shived.
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You get shivered with the shank.
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You don't get shanked with a Shive. I don't think so I think you can have a Shiv anyway. Uh, anyone let us know? Right in?
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Yeah. Anyone in prison?
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I don't know. So everyone's naked. They're having a shower. Then one of the guys tries to murder $0.50 with this knife.
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Yeah. This is also the first time that Half Dollar Man meets Terrence Howard's character. Uh, yes. Who we've already been introduced to from the beginning of the movie when they stole the money from the Colombians.
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So you get to see how they became best friends.
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Yes. Pretty much partners. Yes. Like literal crime. Yes.
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Yes, absolutely. Terrence Howard basically saves $0.50 life in this scene, and a fight breaks out, and then there's just a wide array of wieners all over the place in the shower.
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So it's almost in a wide shot, but there's a panic, and it's very clumsy and it's very opportunistic.
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Yes.
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And they're, um, like, slipping and sliding, obviously, because it's a wet shower floor, and people are coming out of the shower, going back into the shower and things like that. Nothing is left to the imagination.
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Terrence Howard runs out.
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Oh, yeah. He runs out and runs back in again.
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Shot of his entire body.
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Yes. There's no stone left unturned in terms of the court Department in the scene. Do we even, um, see Chris Jackson's Weiner?
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I don't think so, but I think you see everyone else's.
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Everyone else's.
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It's so hectic.
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Yeah. I would say it's not particularly stylish, and it's not particularly well crafted or put together, but it kind of gets the point across. At no point am I like, wow, what a scene that was.
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Yeah. As we were saying, this is not an Eastern Promises that looks very cool. And that bathhouse scene in Eastern Promises is awesome.
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Yeah. Well, it's well, kind of put together and choreographed stuff. This one, you can tell because it just looks a little bit clumsy. Like it almost looks as if they're holding back their punches and stuff, like when they're fighting.
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Yeah.
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And it really doesn't have any kind of sense of impact because the minute the knife is shown, the only thing that you're kind of startled by is the amount of cock that you're getting seen to. Other than that, I don't think it's a very good scene, just in general.
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Well, then just the cops beating the ever loving shit out of everybody on the ground.
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They get their batons out, and they just start wheeling on everybody.
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Yeah. It's pretty violent, but the whole team's pretty violent.
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If you can't tell who did the crime. Just punish everyone. I'm assuming that's how it works.
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Yeah. Well, there was an interview with 50, um, Cent that I was reading, and he was saying, yeah, we were naked. And apparently they were supposed to have these biker shorts on that had the same color as their skin complexion. But when they got wet. Uh huh. As they were in the shower, they changed to a darker color so you could tell, okay, that they were wearing little shorts. And so fifty, $0.50 said, let's do it naked.
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That makes the point.
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Yeah. And I also saw somewhere that fifty 50 Cent urged Terrence Howard to do the scene naked. And I don't have a reference for that, so I can't say how one 100% that is. Okay. But maybe it is.
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The thing is, like, Terrence Howard is the one we see the most of in this.
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Scene. Did you know that his exwife tried to blackmail him with Nudi photos at one point?
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Why would you need to? He already sees Deck in this fucking movie. Why would anyone care?
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That's what everyone was saying. Yeah, she was pretty cruel about it, apparently. Um, but you wouldn't need to.
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No, you wouldn't need to. But also. Yeah, that's a fucking scummy thing to do.
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Yeah, of course it.
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Is.
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And she is hopefully paying the price.
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Just dismantling the trust of someone that you're fucking married.
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We all know Terrence Howard is going to keep saying problematic on this podcast, but he is a character.
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To say the least. Yeah. I will say, like, if you come with that amount of talent, because, I mean, my favorite Terrence Howard films, probably Prisoners. I really like him in Prisoners.
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Terrence Howard is incredible. I think he's an incredible actor.
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Yeah. And I feel like he's not the only and certainly will not be the last of the actors and the talent who come with, I guess, a certain amount of caveats if you decide to cast them in your film. I think probably the most well known aspect of him as an actor, his talent is his portrayal, uh, as well. He didn't continue, uh, to portray him, but of War Machine in the Marvel movies.
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Uh, yeah.
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So I think after Iron Man One, he didn't portray him again. That's why we, uh.
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Got Don Cheadle correct. I was trying to find out why that happened. I was always curious because I've always liked Terrence Howard. I thought it was Judy. I didn't know about his behavior.
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I'm sure it was Judyne to money. I think he wanted more money.
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Well, here's the thing. Did you know that he was the highest paid actor on Iron Man? He was paid more than Robert Denny Jr. He was paid more than Gwen Paltrow. He was paid more than Jeff Bridges. He was the first person cast in that film and he had the highest salary.
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I mean, Iron Man is only the beginning of the MCU. Without Iron Man, there is no MCU. So either it's a blessing or a curse. It depends on kind of where you come from on it.
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But yeah, John Favreau was saying that he didn't. I mean, for his behavior on set, and they had to reshoot a lot of his scenes because they were having problems with him. And so when it came time to start writing and casting Iron Man Two, they were going to just cut down that character's scenes and make him less visible in their world that they were building. But then when people were, they had a trajectory for War Machine, so they decided to offer him less money. So they offered him. It's not completely clear, but it's a fifty, 50% to 80% in his salary. Okay. Hoping he would do it, obviously.
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Or maybe they weren't hoping he would do it and they were hoping he would just not bother doing it. They could just recast him.
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Did not.
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And they did recast him for what they do with that character over the course of the first couple of phases of, uh, the.
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MCU.
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I hate to say it, but it really doesn't matter who is playing War Machine.
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So they could have done a lot more.
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It's not great. Yeah. It's not like it was like, oh, my.
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God, don't they just take him straight out at one point in one of the Marvel movies and they think he died and he's gone for a really long time?
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Well, the thing is, by the end of Endgame, he's just excised from the whole thing. Like, he's gone. We're probably never going to see him again. And Robert Diana Jr. Robert Dinner Jr. Was laughing all the way to the fucking bank. What was that movie? It wasn't far from home. It was the first one.
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Homecoming.
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He was only in that movie for, like, fucking fifteen, 15. He got like ten, $10 million.
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He had to have been in that movie for way less than that.
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Oh, yeah.
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He probably only filmed for fifteen, 15.
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Yeah. And now here we are talking about Marvel.
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Whoops.
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Sorry.
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Yeah. I'm, uh, just very interested in the Terrence Howard tales.
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I like, you know what? I'm no stranger to liking actors who are one of a better word, mental. You know what I mean? I guess we're in a very kind of strange period in I would be saying this in society, in the media and the creation of, uh, now we're oversaturated with content and people are so scared of how they are perceived in the media and by the general, uh, public. Okay. It's like everyone is constantly walking on eggshells. Everyone feels like they're skating on thin ice.
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It feels like everyone we do is very well public at this.
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Yeah. And I'm not saying I condone any of this sort of stuff, but, like, life is a little bit more interesting if people are a little bit more mental. Or like, you can make the argument that the work is substantially more interesting if you're working with that level of temperament. And that goes the same with directors, I guess, because everyone is so well behaved, there's almost a sense of it being relatively quite still now that we're just not used to what it was like back then.
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I do like the videos and the audio that we tend to look at every once in a while as a director losing his shit or an actor going crazy and yelling at everybody. I find it all very amusing that to me.
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Was, like, part and parcel of you following a creative individual. I always felt part and parcel of like, you just sometimes have to deal with a level of difficulty. But the whole thing about when I say this, like, in film, because that's primarily what I do film is primarily to certain things. It's you're navigating personalities and you're problem solving, and that is it. That's all it is. Okay. All it is. It's just getting people to be in the right place at the right time. That's a problem solving. Mhm now making sure they do what you tell them to do. That is navigating personality. Right? So more than ever, like, you don't need a fucking law degree or business degree to be a good director. You just need to be able to deal with people. So customer service is so much more important than your supposed business degree and your minor, uh, in film.
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Okay, so there was also this two 2015 that Rolling Stone did with Terrence Howard, where he apparently had formulated his own language. It's like a logic language. He called, uh, Tereology. Nice. So if we just want to add a little more peculiarity to Terrence Howard. So he's trying to prove that one times one equals two. Okay. He goes on to say, how can it equal one if one times one equals one? That means that two is of no value because one times itself has no effect. One times one equals two because the square root of four is two. So what's the square root of two should be one. But we're told it's two and that cannot be. Does that make sense?
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I don't know. He's like, maybe right thinking.
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Yeah. He eventually put it on Twitter where he hadn't quite figured it out yet and hadn't flushed out his idea. But eventually, I think, in two 2017 put it on Twitter and everyone just tore it apart. Yeah. Because it doesn't make sense.
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No, it doesn't make sense because it's mathematicians from generations of being able to figure that one out.
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The fact that he called it Terioology is quite magnificent.
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I fucking love that. I really do. Yeah, well, uh, the thing is, the way I've always looked at it is like one times itself, but it's always just going to be one, because that's what it always is.
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Well, because it's one times. Yeah.
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Times in yourself. By yourself, you're still only by yourself. You have no friends.
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That makes complete sense to me.
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Same as if you times one by nothing, you effectively end up with nothing because there was nothing there at times.
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Yes, there you go. So there's a couple of other things that I wanted to point out that made me laugh in this film, uh, which you see in the beginning of the film. Fifty 50 cent shot to hell.
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I thought you were going to talk about the guy who looked like Rick James. No. Yes, I like that, though. I like that about his character is that he had that picture of Rick James just hanging on his mirror because he thinks that that's who killed his mother.
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He did say that.
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Yeah, he did say that. I just thought that he thought he was like.
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He really did, uh, like Rick James.
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I thought he liked Rick James.
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But no, he hated him because he thought he killed his mom.
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Uh, okay, right. Okay. That's fine. Yeah.
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Okay. Well, when we get to go back later in the film and see what happened, why he got shot, who shot him? What was going on? There's this weird scene where, um, he's getting resuscitated by the ambulance, and it's intercut with his own birth from his mother. I had no idea what was happening. And it just was so weird to me because you see him getting resuscitated, then you see, uh, her giving birth, but she's working at a diner, and it looks as though she just stops work, starts having contractions, and just squats down and pops out.
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A little fifty 50 cent pops out. She squirts out a little half dollar man, a little city. It kind of looked as, um, though she was not aware of her pregnancy by the immediacy in which she gave birth.
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I mean, uh, he must have slid out.
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Like, slid out under, uh, that dirty diner floor there's.
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All the fire. It weirds me out in movies where you have someone who is about to give birth, or they just feel contraction, and then wherever they are, everyone stops. We need a doctor, and then they just, um, take it out. It doesn't make any sense. You have time to go to the hospital. Someone call him.
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No. All you need is a base in the water and some towels. Hold on. What's weirder? Would you rather you were birthed onto a diner floor or in a birthing pool pool?
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You'd rather be birthed in a pool than a dirty diner floor.
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Like in some fucking sterile hospital room? Someone's pumped up a fucking birthing pool. Yeah, I always saw that shit look weird. And I've also like, you see videos of the actual birth in the birthing pool and stuff like that, and it slides out. It comes out like this fucking trout. And then it floats up to the surface of the water, and then there's nothing but, like, shit and blood everywhere. You know what I.
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Mean? It's a traumatic and miracle. Dirty miracle. But yes. And also, I don't even want to talk about this, but yes, a pool is better than a dirty diner floor. That is obvious. I can't believe you're asking me that question.
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I just thought it was interesting. It was just interesting. It always looks a little bit weird.
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Like when you have to they're in the back seat of a car or something, and then the cabbie just gets the baby out. Like what's?
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Like that moment in The Man in Black and she gives birth to the alien in the back of that car. Oh, my God. And then it vomits on them. Funny. Yeah.
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That's not a good movie.
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Comedy. That is comedy. There's some weird shit. Um, there's some weird shit that kind of happens in this movie, or at least like the film. I feel like it starts off relatively quite strong. After he gets shot, though. There's at least like two moments where I was like, just kind of weird, tell me the girl he's seeing, the girlfriend who he has the kid with, he's been shot and his fucking jaws had to be wired closed. Yes. Because he didn't want to get a tricky Ottoman because obviously it would affect his vocal cords. Correct.
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Because he is a poet. Yeah.
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Well, he needs to be able to talk. He needs to be able to have a voice. Yeah, of course. But here's the thing. She starts, um, having an argument with him and he's not able to fucking talk. And at one point she goes to him and says, is this what this is going to be like? As in, like, this is what life is going to be. Correct. Give the guy a chance. Yeah. I was kind of like one. He's only just been able to start walking around. And also eventually he's going to be able to open his jaw again once he's healed.
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Yeah.
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And he's like, obviously once he's depressed, painkillers and all sorts of stuff, and he's literally like, fucking.
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Hell. Yeah. It reminded me of the scene in Forest Gump where they tell him to run. Forest Run. And he's got the braces on his legs. It reminded me of that. Yeah. He has the braces on his mouth, which, weirdly enough, he wakes up with it's as though an orthodontist came into the hospital room while he was having surgery and pop some braces on it.
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Here's the thing.
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He got shot in the mouth. He did, but his teeth back. Do they pop news?
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Well, no. Here's the thing. If you shoot someone that close to their face, it doesn't just go through the fleshy part of your mouth. There's muscle and all sorts of stuff there. It would have totally shredded his mouth.
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I agree.
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So the only way they would have had to have done anything where they would have had to have surgically gone in there, replaced all the muscles, make sure they were all attached, fucking basically fix his jaws. The whole thing would have just fucking exploded, I think. Yeah. And then he had to wire him shot. And one way they do that, they put the braces on because obviously his teeth were all fucked up. They probably were all shifted and moved around and think it's so that when it happens.
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I feel like they would have just broken.
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Well, here's the thing. I got a friend back home who got into a fight, and the bouncer whacked him right in the middle of his mouth and pushed all of his teeth back. The only reason they didn't fall into his throat is because he had braces. Those braces were obviously there. They're trying to keep their fucking teeth in your mouth and to realign what issues you had there abnormalities, whatever that you had with your brace, with your teeth. That's obviously what they're trying to do there. So it doesn't heal weirdly.
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That happened to me. That happened to me when I was doing jumping on a trampoline, and I did a flip, and my knee, uh, hit me straight in the face, and it knocked my front tooth back, but it didn't knock it out. And I had braces on, but my, um, tooth died, and I had to get replaced anyway. Yeah. So it makes me think that they can wire it shut all they want, but if he had any teeth left, they'd probably be dead teeth.
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Well, we do see him taking the wires out of his mouth.
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Yeah, that's what I was saying. It's like forest Gump. If he can, will it because his wife wanted to have sex with him, and so he just will his jaw to be healed just in time.
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Started wrapping like, he was like, I get your lady. Your lips got all my braces. When I go down on you.
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He goes downtown with those braces on.
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He does? Yeah. You're fucking catching some pubic hairs on those braces. Yeah. It'd be a bit stingy.
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I hope he was being careful.
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Yeah, I hope so. I mean, to be fair, it was only a movie. I don't think he actually did it.
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But, yeah, they had an intimacy coordinator there.
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Uh, it's just a five foot nothing woman with a clipboard. She's just like watching in front of camera. You're not doing it right. You're not doing it right. Do that. Do that right. There you go. There you go. All right. Well.
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Done. So we've decided because of our last episode, and I've been thinking about it for a, uh, while, and we're going to update our visibility and context ratings going forward, because I do feel like maybe they need to be separated because it's hard to put them together when you have things maybe such as this movie in particular, where you have visibility, which is quite high, and then you have context, which is pretty low. And so I thought we would go forward and see how it works if we separated those ratings. So we will be doing a zero to five rating of visibility alone. Context alone, and then your overall film rating. Yes. So would you like to go first?
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So should I go with visibility first, disability first? Well, probably a five, because you see everything you sure do.
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Right? Yeah.
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And in terms of the context. Well, no, it has to be like a four or something. Because they're in the showers in prison and they're all completely stark falling naked. I guess that makes sense.
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So the first time that we're separating them, it ends up being the same rating?
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Pretty much, yeah. I don't know how you would look. Let's put it this way. For some of the other ones, we didn't really separate it or we kind of did it as a median. Yeah. So it may be in five, and then one, and then it ends up just becoming three. So in this instance, yes. No, they end up being the same. Okay. Do I think the scene is very good? No, I don't think the scene is very good. I think it's awfully clumsy. Yes. But in terms of what it is and you're seeing, just because it looks clumsy doesn't mean that it doesn't get high scores for what it is.
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I'll give them credit for being clumsy. It would be a clumsy situation you're in if you're getting stabbed in a prison shower and then you're trying to fight everybody, but you just lathered yourself up with some soap.
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Everything's a bit slippery.
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It's going to be a little slip slidy.
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Well, it's like that oil wrestling. Uh, you get all kind of clingy and stuff. You just grab hold of the things that you can get a hold of. Yeah.
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I think that's what happened here. And let me think. So my visibility, I'm going to give it a four. That's just because I'm going to combine everyone altogether. Because you can see Terrence Howard. No problem. That's because he stands right front and center. Or front left, I would say. But you can see everyone else's. Uh, but there's a lot of, uh, moving around.
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It seems as if he was very aware of where the camera was. So, like, in that white shot, he comes right up close to the camera. So it just seemed like he was like. No, that's where my light is. I'm going to go in there.
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Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, right here, Jim. This is good at my marker.
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Jim, I'm not staring at your testicles anymore. Uh, hurry up.
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Just back up, Terence.
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Please. Please. Fucking hell. No. It's like just sitting in his chair and his fucking balls.
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And for context, I'm going to give it a three 3.5. Just going to make it a little bit different just for fun, because it's tough. It's rough. But I, uh, appreciate what they're giving us here. Yeah. Obviously they would be naked, and I'm glad that they filmed it as such instead of putting on weird flesh colored pants. Yeah.
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Insane. What do they call them in Dogma? The Metro is, uh, it the meters. They call them in Dogma.
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Well, what Metatron.
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The voice of God. No, they called them the Angels. What do they call the Angels? Because remember, Alan Rickman takes his trousers down. He's just got a fleshy patch there.
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Yeah, well, he's the Meditron.
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Oh, is he?
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I think so, yeah.
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There you go. That's what I'm trying to say. Okay.
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Yes. Okay. I might rethink these ratings later on, but for right now, that seems fine.
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I think for the small audience that we have just now, I don't think it's going to disrupt them too much.
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Okay. Don't be mad at me.
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I think they don't come here for the rings. They come here for the jokes. So that's fine.
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Never mind. I'm going to give it a four. I'm going to give it double fours.
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Just like you're waiting for the film. No, certainly not. No, because it's a fucking question. Um, our relationship.
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I think I'm going to give the film an overall, too, because I don't like it very much and I don't find it very entertaining, but I loved everybody in it and I thought everyone did a great job. I just don't think that the movie did a great job of giving its message in a succinct and entertaining way. I think, as you were saying, Ryan, that it's been done better.
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Yes, it has done. And I kind of feel like it suffers from the. It's kind of like. Because I don't want to sound like, uh, Spike Lee. Because Spike Lee said that Michael Mann when he did Ali, right. He said, this isn't a white man's story to tell.
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Um, okay.
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And I kind of feel that way with this one. I kind of feel like maybe put it in the hands of a black voice and it probably would land a little bit more credibility.
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Yeah, maybe it does. As I was asking before, maybe it does suffer a bit from Jim Sheridan. And that's a shame if that's a bad thing that we're coming to.
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But I don't think it's a bad film.
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Certainly not.
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But I feel like, obviously who wrote it again because he wrote Wolf of Wall Street. Terence Winter. Yes. I kind of feel like it loses a little bit. Um, there's aspects of life that we as white people will never understand. Yes. It's just something that will never understand. And we just have to be sympathetic. But there will be like a level of prejudice that just kind of finds itself kind of seeding its way into the work because of a lack of understanding. And that's kind of how I feel about this now, unfortunately, because of that, I don't think that's the primary issue here. I think the primary issue is that it's just not a very good script, what they're given here. And I feel like everyone tries their best. It just doesn't pay off. Like it's just too long. It's too long, and it focuses on all the wrong aspects. And for the most part, it kind of comes out that fifty 50 Cent an incredibly unappealing person at the end of it.
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What did you give it as your rating? You haven't said it yet.
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I said it was like Middle of the Road, two and a half. I don't think it's very good. It started, uh, off really strong. I was like, fuck, if it keeps on this pace. It just doesn't. It just doesn't.
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Yeah. Okay. I agree. Would you recommend this film?
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Yeah, probably. I mean, if I was saying if I was going to recommend it to friends and stuff like that, they've probably already seen it.
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This is your first time seeing it?
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Mhm this was my first time seeing it because I thought, wow, this would be a laugh. I hope this is good.
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Yeah. I let you pick this movie.
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Yeah. It's a shame.
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Like the last one.
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Yeah. It's a shame. It's just not as good as other films of the ilk. It's not Boys in the Hood. It's not Menace to Society. Even films like closer to its date range and stuff like that, like Straighta Compton is a far superior and interesting film to this thing. Yeah. They're all based on true stories. They're all based on interactions and the stories of these characters, these directors and writers. So. Yeah, it's a shame. It's a shame. It could have probably done something better if it was maybe in the right hands.
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Yes. And I think I want to reiterate everyone did a great job, but I don't think I would recommend this movie. I've seen it twice and I just looked because I have been doing this website since two 2007, and I it down as a one as an overall rating back when I had seen it the first time. So that's tough. But it just does a different one to me these days is a hate rating, which I don't hate this movie. I just would maybe not want to watch it again. No, but maybe watch it for the shower scene.
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Um, here's the thing. And I'll say this forever. It's better than in the cut.
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Oh, my God. Is that going to be your ending line for every film we do going forward?
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I think I'm done.
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Thank you so much for being here with me today, Ryan, and picking this film.
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That's fine. I thought it would be fun.
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I had a good time.
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Yeah.
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I thought it was okay coming to you from Samuel L. Jackson's rejection to being in this film.
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Well, the thing is hold on, hold on. Before you do that, because he ended up having to eat his own words eventually because he did work with fifty 50 Cent, Home of the Brave. And there's also other films where fifty, $0.50 them as well. I think he was in some other gangster movie. He was actually pretty good and he was a little bit more understated and he wasn't the lead role.
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I think he did a great job.
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Yeah, he's done well. He's done well.
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You're saying that Samuel Jackson didn't want to be in jail.
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Yes, um, Sam Jackson should probably arrange a wee bit either way. But I don't know. I like Sam Jackson regardless.
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Well, I have been.
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Laura. I'm a half dollar man.
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There he is. Thanks for being here and we will see you next.
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Time. You said you weren't going to learn anything on this podcast, you motherfucker.
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Oh my.