PART ONE of a special two-part Re-Animator series! Kicking off, of course, with RE-ANIMATOR (1985) for Spooky Penis Season. Who doesn't love this movie, honestly?
We are joined, not only by friend of the podcast Josh Martin (of Uncomfortable Brunch and Orlando Pop Up Movie Services), but also by man-about-town Tighe Arnold, to discuss an absolute favorite: Stuart Gordon's Re-Animator (1985). Produced by the interminable Brian Yuzna, this is where a tag team becomes a real friendship. You know Laura loves a good friendship story, which means she also gets to talk about the friendship between Herbert West and Dan Cane. Love a good bromance. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the second selection of Spooky Penis Season (or as Josh so aptly calls it "Cocktoberfest").
Ryan: Lovely man. Um, absolutely lovely dude. I remember he asked us anyway, he was, he was lovely, but he he asked us for ah, a set of stepladders to replace the attic board that they, uh, they hadn't replaced before they left. And they were in the attic basically all day. And pretty much I bring the stepladders over and he's talking away doing all this, that and this thing and I mistakenly open up the step ladders before I gave them to him. And I end up getting caught on the sofa. And then have you ever seen old people fall over and it's like super slow and they're like continually trying to correct themselves before they fall down. So basically I felt like I was falling over for about 20 minutes.
Laura: Yeah, it seems that way in real life to me as well. You were falling for a really long time.
Ryan: And it's not that it's like watching you fall. It's like that moment in Antichrist when the kid falls out of the window and it just goes on ever and forever. That was what happened today. And the man had to like, help me.
Laura: Well, hello there. Welcome to on the BiTTE the podcast that uncovers full frontal male nudity in cinema. It's spooky Penis Month Part Two And I am joined by my co host, Ryan.
Ryan: Hello.
Laura: And we are joined by this is the second 3rd time I don't remember our friend, our third time. Okay. Josh Martin of uncomfortable brunch and Orlando pop up movies and hey.
Josh: SUP.
Laura: And we have a first time guest, man about town, Ty Arnold.
Tighe: A self confessed man about town. Self confessed?
Laura: That's right.
Ryan: What does that mean?
Tighe: You own like not that it's a bad thing, but no, I mean, what.
Ryan: Does the man about oh, I don't really know.
Tighe: It's one of those kind of weird.
Ryan: So you have to know what it means.
Tighe: Well, uh, I'm not really though I'm saying it ironically. It's like someone's uncle. Thinning black hair, slicked back, leisure suit, cigar, maybe drinks a bit too much or has like a little nose candy problem. You know what I'm saying?
Laura: Always just at the end of the bar and you give him a little.
Tighe: Or just around the corner. Yeah, and you're like just around the corner. Those guys can be just like near the bathroom stall. Exactly.
Ryan: Just leave him alone.
Josh: There's people who knows people, but you don't necessarily want to know those people.
Tighe: Yeah, sounds right. Yeah, so that's sort of me, ironically. But that is what a man about town is. Maybe I didn't realize that was like an American idiom.
Ryan: Okay. No, I mean, I was curious and then it just ended up being this kind of self deprecating description. Yeah, funny enough.
Josh: Would you expect any different?
Ryan: I don't know. I just wanted the logical explanation of it. And I got one.
Tighe: There was an ad in like 2001 in Orlando. There was like the orlando Weekly. And on one of the last pages, the advertisements, there was just this heavyset guy on a double rested Guayabera shirt, drenched in swamp, took his photo god in a big cigar. And he's just like he was just like it was like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, cigar aficionado. And man about town. We're like, Holy shit, this is the coolest guy I have ever seen.
Laura: Wow. I, uh, think that could be easily achieved.
Tighe: Oh, yeah. Hit a thrift store.
Ryan: Awesome. Well, there you go. That's probably one of the best introductions we've had of a guest on this podcast thus far.
Laura: Congratulations.
Ryan: There you go.
Laura: And we would expect nothing less from, um, Man About Town.
Ryan: Yes.
Laura: So here we go.
Ryan: Okay.
Laura: And we brought everyone here today for part two of Spooky Penis Month to talk about the 1985 horror comedy Reanimator.
Ryan: Part one of the Reanimator doubler that.
Laura: We'Re doing the Dublais.
Ryan: The Dubala.
Laura: Yep. Starring Jeffrey Combs bruce Abbott barbara Crampton david Gale um, directed by Stuart Gordon, who we've talked about before, but I think you've got some points.
Ryan: Thank you. Yes, it was directed by Stuart Gordon. Um, we covered Stuart Gordon on the Fortress episode, uh, Yawn time ago. Um, but, yes, this is the seminal Stuart Gordon movie, also produced by, uh, Brian Yasna. Um, so I guess I kind of want to go a little bit more in depth into Reanimator and some of the intricacies and its development and how how it came to be, because I feel like it's a seminal 80s horror movie that very much is the classic definition of what makes a cult film. Um, and I will say, and everyone can chime in, because I'm sure a lot of this stuff isn't unknown, ah, to everybody else here in this room. Um, because certainly everybody here likes the assuming. Um, yeah, good. Right.
Laura: Okay.
Ryan: So we know that it's based on the novelte, uh, by H. P. Lovecraft called Herbert West Reanimator. Right.
Laura: Has anyone read it?
Tighe: Yes, I had a lovecraft face. The movie's way better.
Josh: No, I'm not a racist.
Laura: You're not wrong. I read it today. Uh, it's pretty good, though.
Josh: I also can't read, so m. There's that, but no.
Tighe: Yeah, that's like a weird journal of him. It's like very, um, Dracula, like, Ram Stoker, where it's like a very kind of like someone else narrating the thing, and it goes on and on and on. You're like, okay, fine.
Ryan: Uh, d yeah.
Laura: What?
Ryan: From the Francis Ford Coppola movie signs everything d. Oh, right, the D. Uh, you know, uh.
Josh: So treats Dracula.
Ryan: Um, so let's just say that Stuart Gordon originally conceived this as a stage production because of his yeah, he's originally ah, a stage a theater director. Uh, he continued to be continued to be a theater director all the way through his career up until, obviously, his death in 2020, if I remember. Um, but as that fell through, they decided they were going to turn it into a, uh, television pilot and I think they pitched it to CBS.
Laura: PBS, was it?
Ryan: PBS?
Laura: Yeah, which is very weird.
Ryan: As close. I didn't even write that piece of information down. So that was a good tell. Anyway, um, I got you back.
Ryan: So in terms of the TV show, they wanted to make 13 half an hour episodes based on this novelette, which to me seems crazy. Absolutely crazy. The idea of having a reanimator TV show. Yeah. It's really in any way, shape or.
Laura: Form, especially being, uh, put on or produced by PBS, which I feel like you're typically known for doing period dramas.
Josh: I can kind of see it though, because they probably would have had a little more leeway than they would have with CBS content.
Tighe: They could be like, we're public.
Josh: Yeah. I mean, I remember watching Monty Python's flying Circus episodes on PBS at the middle of the night and that had nudity in it. Oh, yeah. Uh, at least women on there.
Tighe: Every episode had many women in brawling panties.
Josh: Right. So I mean, it's a stretch, but I can kind of see that. Sure.
Laura: Well, it would have been more true to the stories as well. It would have been a period drama horror. So m it wouldn't have been as gory and bloody not like Dark Shadows wacky though.
Tighe: It would have just been kind of wacky.
Laura: Oh god, yeah.
Josh: Man. I used to love Dark Shadows. I used to watch that. My mom, um, she was obsessed with that melodrama I seriously watched so much of that. It was crazy. The reruns were on Sci-fi Channel in the man barnabas Collins. Big fan.
Tighe: We were too vanilla of a fan. My mom just loved Days of Our Lives.
Josh: Oh. She was an All My Children's fan.
Laura: Every day, every time. I was homesick. Here we are.
Tighe: Soaps are like the best kept secret.
Laura: Just got to watch your stories.
Josh: That's right.
Laura: Okay, so we were talking about the PBS drama miniseries. So what happened next?
Ryan: Ryan? So basically they'd written all 13 episodes and then they pitched it and they basically said, that's not going to work. They only run in, say, hour long episodes for it. But they just didn't feel like the material worked. So eventually due to if you take the concept of what reanimator is and what they were trying to do with it, its home was going to be within the horror space, which only really works in film at that time. So that's when reanimator becomes a movie.
Laura: Hell yeah.
Tighe: Fateful.
Laura: Okay. Mhm, do you have any information on when Yuzna Ah got involved with this project?
Ryan: No, I didn't feel like I needed to go that far in depth with it. Why didn't for my notes?
Laura: Why don't you get too deep?
Ryan: But why are you about to tell me?
Laura: No, I, uh, did not have that written down.
Ryan: Okay.
Laura: All I have written down is that he came in and wanted to make into a feature and then pushed together all the six stories that were in M the novelette. So that's pretty much what they did. Took pieces of all of the stories and integrated them into a more modern telling of the story, which I thought was more I thought they had all the really good pieces of the lovecraft tale within the story. I mean, you have the headless guy and who uses kind of like a wax head like that's in the stories. You have stuff in the original story where there's like typhoid fever and they were using those people as, uh, their fresh corpses because they needed to be super fresh. The fresher the better and all this stuff. That's all he kept talking like Jeffrey Combs is spot on with his interpretation, uh, of Herbert West from the book. So I don't know how I don't know if he read it. I don't think he read it before he was cast in this.
Ryan: I don't know. All I remember reading was that he had absolutely zero faith in this project whatsoever. And he only did the project for the money.
Josh: Combs yeah, that's interesting.
Ryan: M. But obviously someone had to call the police at some point because obviously a scene was stolen many a time that transition.
Josh: Jesus Christ.
Tighe: Uh, it's been a pleasure, everybody.
Ryan: I'm out of here.
Josh: See this? How proud of yourself you are for that?
Tighe: Fucking I've never seen you, so that's fine.
Ryan: If you're not familiar with things I do on this podcast, then, uh, you only have yourself to blame. But yeah, no, he makes and breaks this film 100%.
Laura: He doesn't break this film.
Ryan: I mean, if he wasn't here does reanimator still?
Josh: Nobody's like a Bruce Abbot fan.
Tighe: You're there to watch Combs.
Josh: Yeah.
Tighe: You better watch a little bit of Crampton too.
Josh: I kind of no, no, she's still got it too, man. No, that's the crazy thing.
Ryan: Yeah.
Tighe: And it's not like ageism are like, oh, she's so old. She's though she's still good. It's just like you're kind of also not surprised. That just kind of gifted. Maybe like a weird oh, yeah.
Josh: Have you seen Jacob's wife?
Ryan: Yeah.
Josh: Oh, yeah. Her and, uh, Larry Fessendon fucking get down on the kitchen floor and it's fucking dope like a fine wine.
Tighe: I think it might be better with age.
Josh: Yeah, it's great.
Laura: Wow.
Ryan: Yeah. The woman's never lost it.
Ryan: I think the only person that rivals Combs in this movie, though, is I would say, like David Gale's character in this is he has a look and a way about him that I feel like I've not seen in a lot of other things. Crazy.
Laura: A master of creep, 100%.
Josh: He just feels like he's smelling women's hair through the whole thing. Ickiness.
Laura: He takes pictures of you while you're sleeping.
Tighe: He's got like, the mirror shoes in the subway. That's the vibe.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: I need to tell everyone the synopsis of this film. I didn't do that yet. My apologies. Uh, so I pulled this from letterboxed. Here we go. A dedicated student at a medical college and his girlfriend become involved in bizarre experiments centering around the reanimation of dead tissue when an OD new student arrives on campus. That actually doesn't make sense because that's weird. Yeah, the experiment started when Herbert West shows up at school.
Josh: Mhm.
Laura: And the girlfriend was never involved in those experiments. So that's incorrect. That's an incorrect synopsis.
Ryan: Where did you get it from, though? You got it from Letterbox, though.
Tighe: Uh oh.
Ryan: Boo. Some of them yeah, some of them are probably incorrect. Well, some of them are like fucking tomes.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: Some of them just describe every single plot point in the movie and you're like, right, okay.
Laura: Jeffrey Tombs.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Okay, here's the tagline. Herbert west has a good head on his shoulders and another on his desk.
Ryan: All right.
Josh: Yeah, that was on the poster.
Tighe: Uh, you guys, I have to tell you something about this movie and the poster. I have always so the title of the novella or whatever is Herbert West Reanimator. But what if instead of that, it was Diane West Reanimator and 80s mom Diane West is just there on the poster, just Dr. Hill's head and just like, how amazing would that be? Somebody make this parody shirt, poster, whatever. The idea is free. You have my money.
Josh: Oh, I'm so embarrassed just hearing it.
Laura: I'm just thinking of like the, uh, serial mom, like cover.
Josh: But it's I mean, I'm currently wearing a DC talk hat and even that is embarrassing. Oh, come on.
Tighe: The Wiest fans are out there. Where are my weed heads at?
Laura: Oh my god. We're going to have to ask you to leave.
Ryan: Yeah, it's been nice and all, but it's fine. Yeah, we'll give you a call.
Josh: Yeah. I had my, uh, reanimator shirt from probably from high school because I wore it all through college. And about a year or two ago, a friend from college happened to be in town and swung by my work and I was wearing it. He's like, Jesus, you're still wearing that same fucking shirt. I cannot believe that they exist. And he knew by how not black it is. It's an extremely dark gray charcoal on its yeah, yeah.
Ryan: When it almost becomes translucent, it's been washed so many times.
Josh: Very comfortable shirt. I bought it on discount in November at Hot Topic. Best, like, uh, $13 I've ever spent, clearly.
Ryan: Um, Hot Topic. Hot Topic is kind of like what was that store back in Scotland?
Josh: What was, I don't know, gadzuks?
Ryan: It's like an urban urban Outfitters or something.
Josh: Hot Topic is the goth version of Urban Outfitters is the hipster version.
Tighe: Yeah.
Ryan: There's another one that isn't Urban Outfitters. Spencer no.
Josh: Oh.
Ryan: H m. But I mean, I was asking specifically Laura, because she was in.
Laura: You'Re not talking about me pop, are you?
Ryan: No, not because they have those shirts too. No, the other one that was on the that was on Princess Street that had like, wood and stuff. It was a hipster place. It was just wank.
Tighe: What was it called?
Laura: I think you're Urban Outfitters.
Ryan: Is it? Urban Outfitters?
Laura: Two stories.
Ryan: Yeah. Then I had all the stairs and stuff with losing wood for whatever reason.
Tighe: That's an urban outfitters.
Laura: Yeah, they have those too. And it's exactly the same.
Josh: That's where I go and buy all my vinyl. I'm sorry.
Ryan: Vinyl. I think that's stop. I think that's oh my God. I, uh, guess vinyl. Yeah, the vinyls. Yeah. Oh, dear. There's going to be a lot of missed phone calls after this episode, isn't there? I mean, where do we go from here, Laura?
Laura: Well, I have a lot to say.
Ryan: You have a lot to say. And many of us have a lot.
Laura: Of things I do want to say. I know that you want to talk about the opening music, and I want to say for the opening, uh, title credits that I love how it looks and it's very colorful and very fun.
Ryan: Created by Richard Dawson, who's supposed to yeah, he did stuff for Burton as well. Tim Burton, obviously. The Tim Burton that we all not Richard Burton. We all know.
Laura: We have to make the distinction.
Ryan: Saturday night, sunday morning. Yeah, I love that title sequence. But yeah, no, he created the opening title sequence.
Josh: It's not as good as Bernard Herman's score, though.
Ryan: No, I think that's a fantastic score.
Ryan: So I do want to talk about the soundtrack by Richard Bands. And I guess it definitely falls under controversy. And I do kind of want to talk about it. I kind of feel like, because I've got a full fucking interview with them, um, on this phone.
Tighe: I'd love to not go negative immediately on this.
Ryan: So I'm not going to I'm going to pose it as a question. And then I want to see what can happen. So I'm going to try and bring some level of balance and equality to it. Wow. Um, so that maybe it might sound like I'm being negative, but, um, maybe.
Josh: There'S two sides to every story about Plagiarism Ty, I think.
Ryan: So Richard Band, he's recruited on to do the soundtrack to do the score for this movie. And I guess when I start to quote some of the things from this interview, it's going to get even worse. But, um, let's just say he used this is a quote. He used Herman Bernard Herman's score for psycho. Because certainly the score is very much very similar to Psycho mhm. It's like one of the most famous scores ever written. Right. Um, and he uses Psycho as a base. It's whether or not we feel like, is it as an influence or is it just a straight ripoff?
Tighe: I don't get straight rip. I get heavy inspiration, but I don't get, like, straight rip off.
Laura: Um, I know that Stuart Gordon said that he was upset that everyone was saying terrible things, but he knew that he did it as an yeah, kind.
Josh: Of like Vanilla Ice and Queen. And.
Ryan: Like, I feel like sampling something else to become something different is kind of not the same as because I feel like Richard Band's explanation for why he's done it this way doesn't seem to help his case in terms of trying to feel like it's actually inspirational. What do you think? Let's put it this way. So band did this interview. This is from 2016, and this was from ComingSoon, uh, Net. So whether or not you decide there's any legitimacy to this, we'll figure out anyway. But, uh, basically, Bands asked, uh, the Reanimator score is dynamic, but most certainly kin to Psycho. Why did you opt to quote this famous work? And I feel like that's a very leading question. Regardless. Anyway, but Banda says, uh, you know, at the end credits of Reanimator, there was supposed to be the words with acknowledgment and humble apologies to Bernard Herman, but basically there was a screw up and they left out. I was given the option that was willing, uh, to pay to reshoot the Ed credit. They would fix this, but it would add an additional ten k costs. And I couldn't afford it because I went so over budget making the film that had to go into my own pocket for fifteen K to complete it. I never made a dime off Reanimator. It was a weird situation.
Tighe: Whoa.
Ryan: Yeah, it's a strange thing. I mean, the thing is, if you take the opening credit sequence just on its own, which in and itself and I've kind of written this down anyway, um, it simultaneously is a homage, a rip off and also original. Whilst also kind of being synonymous with this film and the series as a whole, which is, I find to be I don't know, I find to be confusing for the most part, but confusing.
Tighe: But we reap the benefits of it.
Ryan: We do. I do like the idea that because we watched the documentary of the making of as well, they definitely pass the blame to Richard Band for the music. And they're always kind of just like, well, no, I mean, he obviously took a lot of flak for that. But we have nothing to do with it other than the fact that obviously Stuart Gordon could say something as to whether the direction of the music is suitable enough for the film.
Laura: Correct.
Ryan: There's obviously opinion to add to this situation.
Josh: I'm mostly joking with being shitty about it, because I do think, though, that the rest of the score throughout the movie gives it a pass if the whole thing was a rip off of the entire score of Psycho, because that's not the only piece of music from Psycho that's memorable. Clearly. I can think of at least one other piece that's much more memorable. Um, so I think it ends up just being a silly bit of shitty trivia that, uh, is low hanging fruit for lazy comedians like me.
Ryan: Comedians?
Josh: Oh, ah, yeah, I'm a professional.
Ryan: Okay, coolio. Well, I mean, yeah, you have done it on a stage and you have been paid for it.
Josh: Mhm have I have I ever been paid to be on stage?
Ryan: I don't know.
Josh: Have you monogamy money been paid with love? I have not been paid with love.
Laura: You're paid with free popcorn.
Ryan: Or as many people would say, love doesn't pay the bills.
Josh: Yeah.
Ryan: You're telling, uh, what would I be? A rich man. Um, but yeah, I guess if we want to kind of go deeper into that interview yeah, you guys is out there, my fellow listeners, you can read the whole thing because it's very much, uh, a, uh, back and forth of about a man who is like, I really like the score to Psycho. I wouldn't mind just making it myself.
Josh: But also, Richard Band has been recycling the same scores that he's been doing for 40 years. I mean, he is very much of the Band family, uh, Charles Band being his brother, who certainly is not original in any way. But that's why we love him, because he does these, like, shitty reboots of stuff or reworkings of stuff and does it for ten grand.
Tighe: You can tell he's doing it for ten grand. But, like, earnestly. Yeah, he really, really wants it to be good. He just doesn't have the resources. And that's the charm of it.
Josh: Um, side note that this is completely unrelated, but I just think it's very funny is that, uh, on my letterboxed, I can look at my stats throughout the year, and currently, my top watch directors of the year, I think, are Bergman, uh, Cronenberg, um, Wes, uh, Craven's in there. But the number one is Charles Band with 29 titles.
Ryan: Nice.
Tighe: Wow.
Josh: Because I got the Full Moon streaming service, and those movies are only like, an hour long out. Dude, it's great. Um, those are always on the background. Now I got the Evil Bong box set, so that knocked out like, ten of them right there.
Tighe: Oh, my God. I've never been able to do Evil Bong.
Josh: Oh, I did them in one day with Philip. Jesus Christ, that's awful.
Tighe: You hate pot humor.
Josh: I know, but I was stoned the whole time, so it kind of works out.
Ryan: The only acceptable answer.
Josh: I don't really remember the last couple because it was like, 11 hours.
Tighe: Oh, my God.
Laura: Wow. I'm terrified. I should look and see what my letterbox directors are going to be for this year. I'm scared.
Ryan: Yeah. I've not done particularly well this year, like, whatsoever.
Josh: Number one most watched actor? Charles Bronson.
Laura: Of course.
Josh: Yeah, I watched 33 Bronson movies so far this year. I'm not done.
Laura: Ah.
Tighe: Ah, uh, there are good people in the world. I never thought I would say that, but you're drowning in Scumbags if you're watching that. There are two types of people in a Bronson movie, him and Scumbags. There are barely women and children to be saved in those movies.
Josh: Sometimes.
Ryan: Yeah.
Josh: It's one and the same.
Ryan: There's always a motherfucker.
Tighe: That's the cry for help. I've been watching Charlie Bronson movies. Like, 30 of them.
Josh: It was wild. It was earlier in the year. It was good. It was like over a week, too. Awesome.
Tighe: I love Charles Bronson, but that's it was stupid. You pick and choose.
Josh: Yeah.
Laura: Speaking of Charles Bronson, um, this film was shot in 18 days. Has nothing to do with classic okay. For principal photography, two for pickups. And I don't know if you guys knew this. I'm sure that you did, but they guys are showing Sharon Letterbox jokes. I was trying to find mine while we were like, um, while you all were going off on your rant. I have no idea how to find this.
Josh: There's nothing sad about watching 16 Doris Wishman movies in a year.
Ryan: I don't know, laura, you're captaining this ship. You've got to.
Laura: All right, I'm coming back.
Ryan: Me and Jack get these deck hands in line.
Laura: So the original opening sequence of the film was in the script, but they didn't shoot it, uh, when they did the principal photography. And then when they watched the film back, they realized, okay, no, we need something else. I think Yusna was saying that the audience needed to be introduced to the grotesque nature of the film right away. Otherwise, he's like, they're not going to get it if we wait too long to show them all this crazy shit. So he's like, let's just throw them right in. And so they went back and took one day and filmed that opening sequence and kind of gave an introduction to Herbert West.
Ryan: Yeah.
Josh: Popping eyeballs will do that.
Laura: Mission accomplished. I was listening to how they did that. It was just like two bladders with hoses filled with fake blood. And they just had two people just blowing up the bladders like balloons.
Josh: That's awesome.
Laura: Just topping them.
Ryan: Yeah. Well, I mean, uh, that pre credit sequence seems to be a tradition they kept with every single one of the films. Yeah. They all kind of open with something super fucked up. Uh, and then the credit sequence starts. So there you go. That was my $0.10. Enjoy.
Laura: The special effects people only had six weeks to put everything together.
Ryan: Wow.
Josh: And they job.
Laura: Yeah. They're like, this is a lot. This is a lot of stuff.
Tighe: It's like Bravo Teen in the thing where he was only eating candy bars and working 23 hours a day and they had to admit him for exhaustion. Like medical exhaustion.
Laura: Oh, my God.
Ryan: Yeah.
Josh: Good old days.
Ryan: Yeah.
Tighe: Where you could just literally work yourself to death.
Josh: Yeah.
Laura: They had live in the dream. 24 gallons of fake blood were used in this film.
Josh: 24?
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: Huh.
Josh: There was more?
Ryan: Yeah. I think Braindead still has the most amount of fake blood in any film ever, isn't it?
Josh: Oh, really?
Ryan: Yeah, I think so. Or at least I read that somewhere. I think Braindead might.
Tighe: How many did you guys use in Invaders trash cans?
Josh: Full.
Tighe: I mean, those are 50.
Josh: Yeah. Just so much.
Tighe: Yeah. Just because the gag was stream.
Josh: I'm referring to a short that Ty produced. That's very good. Very funny. Uh, called Invaders. You should look it up on vimeo.
Tighe: Uh, yeah. I don't want to ruin it.
Josh: No, I'm not going to give away the gag. It is bloody and it's amazing.
Laura: It's a great Thanksgiving film, which is coming up.
Tighe: Indeed. Yeah, it's true. Right around the corner.
Laura: Yeah. There you go.
Josh: Uh, I'll show it before, uh I got to figure out a way to show thanks. Killing somewhere this year.
Ryan: Yes.
Tighe: My God.
Josh: I'll throw it in front of that. I'll make it a tradition. Like how I show tree venge before whatever I'm showing at Christmas.
Tighe: Yeah.
Ryan: Love tree venge.
Tighe: We're getting a new Jason Eisner movie, but yes, kind uh, of a sequel to a remake of his VHS.
Laura: Oh, really?
Josh: Yeah. Kid movie ish kids, but not really.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Interesting.
Tighe: Yeah. Did ah, you guys see that, like Sleepover Alien one that was in, uh, VHS two?
Josh: Yeah, it was the closer.
Laura: No.
Tighe: All shot on a GoPro. It looks like he's basically, like, remaking that as kind of like an indie film.
Laura: I'm interested.
Josh: Yeah. Where Jason? Eisner did, uh, hobo with a shotgun. And he's awesome. Great Canadian treasure.
Tighe: Yeah.
Laura: Um, did you guys clock I guess this is one of two films that have a character named Hans Gruber in it.
Tighe: Oh, really?
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: Oh, it's also Gruber from the beginning.
Laura: Yeah. Hans Gruber was the doctor.
Ryan: Well, here's the thing. Anyone in Middle Europe, be it Germany or Switzerland or Austria or whatever, they're going to be called Hans, probably.
Laura: I mean, I guess might as well.
Ryan: Yeah. I mean, you put your hand out there. If you're in Germany, you're going to stumble upon a hand.
Laura: You're going to touch some hands.
Ryan: Yeah. You're going to hit some Hans.
Laura: You know what another interesting thing is that the building that was used for the Mischatonic Medical School in this movie was the same building as the Cyberdine headquarters in Judgment Day. Terminator Two.
Josh: Uh, they use the same building.
Ryan: M. Weird.
Laura: It is weird.
Josh: Where is it located?
Laura: Actually, no idea.
Tighe: Um, not Northern California.
Josh: I mean, it must be.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: Uh, uh, you mean that's the main hospital in the film, or is that right? Okay.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: You couldn't tell?
Josh: No.
Ryan: Yeah. You don't really see any windows in that hospital. I don't think there's any windows in that hospital.
Laura: No, I don't remember seeing I mean.
Josh: It mainly sticks to. Emergency room hallways and the morgue.
Tighe: The whole thing kind of beautifully feels like stage bound. Like, you can tell. It's like the hard theater background. Like the walls he shoots wides and the walls go like 16ft up, but all the set decoration stops around like seven or 8ft. They just built the tall flat so he could shoot wides. So it feels very studio bound, but in a very charming way. There are no windows anyway, unless they're at the house.
Josh: Yeah. And this was Gordon's first feature, correct?
Ryan: Yes.
Josh: Okay.
Ryan: Yeah.
Tighe: So yeah, it feels like theatrical in a very specific and fun way.
Laura: Yeah, it makes sense.
Laura: The cast was saying how interesting it was that they actually got to rehearse for this film, M for a while before they filmed it because that doesn't really happen anymore. But this was a lot of their first right. So because they were all stage actors.
Josh: Yeah. I mean, Barbara Crampton had been in a few, uh know, actually, she hadn't gotten into soap operas yet. But, um, what was the sex comedy that she was oh, um, was it Last American Virgin? Was she in that?
Tighe: You might be right.
Josh: I think that's what it is.
Tighe: Um, what, uh, you call it? Um, globus.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: Yeah.
Tighe: It's like their first big hit. Like, I think that was a big hit in Israel or something. Um, the one that made them I.
Josh: Think I'm looking it up because I want to know for certain. It's really good. I mean, as far as teen sex comedies from the early 80s go.
Tighe: Yeah, I've heard it is.
Ryan: Um, I still think for a directorial debut, though, in terms of, like, feature filmmaking, this is probably one of the best ones.
Josh: Fraternity Vacation. Similar different movie, though. But she did have a very small role in Body Double. That was her first, uh.
Ryan: Feature. Yeah. Uh, Brian de Palmer.
Josh: Yeah.
Ryan: Film, if we call it that.
Josh: Not a fan.
Ryan: Not a fan either.
Laura: I like him. Really?
Tighe: You guys hate diploma?
Josh: I like Mission Impossible.
Tighe: I was going to say late stage diploma or early stage.
Ryan: You went right in the middle. Fucking middle.
Tighe: Smack in the middle.
Ryan: I think Mission Impossible is really fucking good.
Tighe: Uh, it's a great movie.
Ryan: And there's some really good bits in Snake Eyes. The rest of it, though, I don't know if I could really give a fuck about.
Tighe: He shoots his shot in snake eyes. It doesn't always sink.
Josh: But yeah, that's a technical achievement for me.
Ryan: I'm not hold on. He did do the untouchables, right? The Untouchables.
Laura: Yeah.
Tighe: But we're talking like when but Battleship.
Josh: Attemptkin, if you ask me.
Laura: Just to kill no, thank you.
Josh: Uh, Carrie's.
Ryan: All right. Carrie's. Okay.
Josh: Carrie's fine.
Ryan: Uh, yeah. Ah, actually, maybe you hate it more than I do. Well, he was at the Edinburgh Film Festival back 2007. I think he did a Q and A there. And there was a I don't know if I want to talk about this. It's my interpretation of something that he did, but he ended up getting a woman down from the audience, like a girl. And for whatever reason, he was like trying to explain how he would direct someone. So for him, he needed a female presence for, uh, him to effectively stage and pose. And he touched her hips and stuff. And I remember at the time I was like, huh, that's kind of weird.
Tighe: See us shooting each other looks. Uh, a lot of side eye going on.
Josh: I don't know. I've seen Body Double. It makes sense.
Ryan: Yeah. I just don't know if I'd like his stuff that much. I like the popular stuff. Sure. You know what? That's why I fucking saw it. That was the same year the fucking shit Black Dahlia movie came out.
Josh: Ah, I don't actually like that movie, but I did see it in theaters though.
Tighe: Yeah, me too.
Laura: Yeah, I think I also did.
Ryan: It.
Tighe: Felt a little cheap. In a good way.
Josh: I do kind of like that. It feels a little gross. I like to see, uh, kind of gross, dirty, sexy Josh Hartnett.
Ryan: God, there is some smoldering stares in that movie from that dude that I'm just like, yeah, no, you can't really pull that off.
Laura: My Josh Hartnett exists in the faculty and that's it.
Josh: I mean, I like when he's, uh, getting raped for comedy in, uh, 40 days and 40 nights. That's funny, right? It's a dude that makes it funny.
Ryan: Uh, I saw that.
Ryan: Oh God.
Laura: We haven't even gotten past the title sequence. We've been speaking for quite a while.
Ryan: I mean, to be fair, we knew this was going to happen.
Laura: I don't have a lot of notes about what happens after the well, I do don't, uh, even know where to start. Does anyone have anything as specific? Because I was going to just jump right into uh, this sex scene, uh, which I really like. Uh.
Ryan: Here we go. Well, no, m, I did have something to say about it. It's like everyone harks on about that one edit in 2001, but really, this one might be better.
Josh: Don't disagree.
Laura: Are you talking about when Megan and Dan are, uh, like in the hallway? No. And she's saying yes. It's pretty good.
Ryan: Yeah, it's pretty good.
Tighe: Uh, cinema right out the gate. We know what we're doing.
Josh: I understand the language of film.
Ryan: Because I bet that single shot, that transition didn't take maybe two years to figure out. Uh, I think I thought it was awesome.
Laura: Yeah, it's really good. And that's where you see Dan's talking Heads poster.
Tighe: Oh, you beat me to my best note that I had. I love it.
Laura: Damn it.
Tighe: No, it's not, it's not my best note. It's just like, hey, every time. I somehow forget it's in the movie. Every time. And then I go, hey, why did I forget that? I love that so much because it's strong right in there's also something that.
Laura: She does when she gets out of bed and she puts on her bra. And I know I'm speaking to a group of men right now. Um, but she puts on her bra.
Ryan: She does it like reverse and then twists it around. Yeah, I was going to talk about that.
Laura: I feel film before.
Ryan: I've seen it in several films before.
Laura: I've never seen it.
Tighe: I've seen it in tons of films. I feel like it's like classic almost, um, Hitchcockian. You know what I mean? We're in that middle phrase where it gives them something to do. Weirdly. It's strange. It feels male motivated. But I have seen women that do it usually like a bikini top. You know what I mean? They'll do that.
Ryan: I've always seen it as, uh, kind of because if it's something that has to happen in the scene, I feel like it's always a time saver.
Josh: Sure.
Ryan: Because you don't want a shame moment like that poor prostitute in the room where she's just like, do you need a hand? And she can't fucking get it buttoned up and stuff like that. Because bras are a pain in the ass. I really sympathize with women who have to wear bras because they're fucking awkward.
Tighe: That seems terrible.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Probably, uh, just maybe less annoying than balls are.
Ryan: I don't know.
Laura: You guys handle those all the time.
Ryan: Well, I mean, I don't know.
Josh: I'm not about them.
Tighe: Yeah, exactly.
Ryan: When I wake up in the morning, I do have to put them in my special ball bra that I have specially made for them. Make sure they sit correctly.
Josh: You need to see a doctor.
Tighe: Not soon.
Josh: Now. We need to hit pause and we're taking you to Centricare. Walk in.
Laura: Let's just check them out real quick.
Josh: Get that shit drained or whatever going on.
Ryan: Look, guys, we can just look, I can just pop them out right now. It doesn't really matter. We can just figure this out and figure out if it is a medical emergency or not. Feel like fucking watermelons?
Josh: I'm telling you what that smell is.
Ryan: Uh, anyway, it's made me recognize.
Tighe: That'S not true. Everybody, I want you to know yeah, that smell true.
Ryan: That smell hasn't been in this room before.
Laura: I can stop.
Ryan: Okay, stop.
Laura: This has gone too far. Um I don't even know what to say right now. I was going to say this scene has made me reconsider how I put on a bra.
Josh: It seems much more efficient to me. I mean, I've not given a ton of thought.
Laura: I haven't thought about it. It's just something that you do well.
Ryan: Yeah.
Tighe: You've got the muscle memory.
Laura: Yeah.
Josh: I could not you're like a basketball player shooting free throws. That's all that is. That's why they do it so much. So I've been told.
Laura: Wow.
Laura: So speaking of roommates, has anyone ever had a roommate as bad as herbert west.
Josh: Worse. Worse?
Ryan: Yeah.
Josh: That's not good.
Laura: What is their name specifically?
Ryan: It depends on, like, the world. What would be worse? Would setting the kitchen counter on fire be worse than killing your cats?
Josh: He brought it back.
Ryan: He did bring it back.
Josh: Which of my cats does he kill?
Laura: Your favorite one?
Tighe: Yeah.
Josh: Oh, I don't want my favorite one killed.
Laura: Ryan. I do think that setting the counter on fire is probably better than murdering your animal.
Ryan: Yeah. You can get a new mean. You did bring it up to the point where I don't know.
Laura: I think the answer is no. We've not had. But then that roommate does become your best friend.
Tighe: I guess so. Uh, but here's the weird thing about that. His cat is dead. There's no mourning period for him. If your roommate him is like, hey, your cat's dead. You're like, what the and then he brought it back to life. And you're like, what the fuck? There's no mourning period. He's still not like, hey, you fucking killed my cat. You know what I mean? I don't think he would be so wowed by the cat coming back to life that he would just be like.
Josh: Oh, yeah, I guess you did.
Laura: He didn't have time to react or mourn because he brought him back. And then the cat went fucking psycho.
Tighe: I guess that's how they get out of it.
Josh: I once did have a sort of a roommate that was just like an extended house guest. And I went out of town for three weeks. And he was watching the cat. And I came home. The cat wasn't dead. But I did have to put it to sleep the next day.
Laura: What?
Josh: Because, uh, I came home and this cat was like 50% of his body weight was, like, gone. Uh, yeah. That was what happened with that was I was on tour with pauses came home. It's like nobody thought to call me about this. I took the cat to the vet. I got the initial vet visit for free because he said, no, you need to take this to this animal hospital. I'm not going to charge you. That's when I realized I'm not coming home with a cat that's alive. Because you don't give out free vet visits unless you're coming home with a dead cat. So yeah, that happened. It was not, uh, great. Not a great day. I've had better days. I'm still friends with the guys. I'm still friend with the guy. It's fine.
Laura: He's a nice did he not feed your cat?
Josh: He fed it. No, it had some kind of like it sounds like it got medical condition went unaddressed. That was what happened, dear.
Ryan: Yeah, because certainly if it man, the.
Josh: Look horror on your tooth. I mean, it sucked. But it wasn't that bad. That's fine.
Laura: Wasn't your favorite cat.
Josh: So what we I did love Chairman.
Tighe: Transition out of.
Ryan: Well, no, the thing is, Josh is demonstrating, I guess, the cinematic absence, uh, of, uh, animal empathy that we kind of see in films. Like, a fair amount.
Josh: Especially cats. Man. Dogs get all the love in movies. They'll get so upset about dead dogs, but they don't give a fuck about a dead cat.
Tighe: Yeah, you can kill a cat, mhm.
Josh: Which I personally think is absurd.
Ryan: Yeah. Marley and me. M. You can base it.
Tighe: People get more upset over a cat than, like, a homeless person. You can kill a homeless person.
Josh: That's true.
Tighe: People will be like, ah, you kill a cat at 75% of theaters out.
Laura: It's like American Psycho Choice.
Ryan: I love a good cinematic hobo. They need to bring them back. Like I don't know why.
Tighe: They are vastly underused.
Ryan: They are underused.
Tighe: Pull them out of the retirement.
Ryan: Yeah. Like Trading Places.
Tighe: Quality hobos out there. They're just sitting in the news.
Ryan: He is my favorite hobo.
Josh: Fisher King.
Ryan: Great.
Josh: Fisher King is full of them.
Laura: Fisher King's got a lot of mr.
Ryan: Williams is a hobo in that movie.
Josh: Yeah.
Ryan: Mhm. And is that the political correct term?
Josh: No, I don't think it would be.
Laura: A homeless homeless person. Homeless person.
Ryan: It has to be a homeless person. Okay.
Tighe: Yeah.
Ryan: Well, that's fine.
Laura: Disadvantaged human.
Ryan: Yeah.
Josh: Well, I feel like hobos, though, is more of like it's a cartoonish thing that doesn't actually exist, but it brings to mind somebody who does. It willfully.
Ryan: Okay.
Laura: Like someone who like bandana.
Ryan: Yeah.
Josh: They're riding the rain.
Tighe: Absolutely.
Josh: It's a lifestyle there.
Tighe: It is.
Ryan: There's a difference.
Laura: Well, gosh, you guys, I read that they used a real dead cat that was in the fridge.
Josh: Really?
Tighe: Yeah, I had heard that.
Ryan: Really?
Laura: Yeah. So the one in the fridge fuck.
Josh: Uh, to do it, though, they just.
Tighe: Obtained a dead not read specifics obtained is what I've heard.
Josh: Yeah, that's fine.
Ryan: I don't know. I saw that episode of Hoarders where that woman had, like, fucking 25. Made me so sad. There's probably plenty of people out there have, like, a spare cat in a fucking Ziploc bag that they could get to someone.
Josh: Yeah. I mean, I have an old friend who, uh, he directed a short that involved a lot, like hundreds of dead rats. And, uh, he told me all about how he was able to obtain them.
Ryan: He's also very different. Ah, they are very easy to obtain.
Josh: But yeah, he said that there was an issue when they defrosted, though, was that it smelled terrible. But, um, somebody on set had the brilliant idea to use, um um, I feel like they used, like, peroxide or something to dehydrate them. It was wild. He said.
Ryan: Yeah.
Josh: Next day they were all just like these defrosted but hard dead rats. Yeah.
Laura: Wow. I really loved that story.
Josh: And side note to that story is that years later, he was staying at my house when on a job here, and I had rats in my vents. That, uh, were needing to be taken care of. And so I had a rat trap up there. And it woke me up in the middle of the night. Snap. I've never heard a rat scream. And this thing fucking lost its shit, just screaming. And I didn't want to touch it. And Max was there. And he's like, oh, I've fucking done this before. He says, you got an old sock or something? Like he didn't even want a glove. He just grabbed it, got that motherfucker and threw it away. And he's like, okay, I'll taken care of. Like. Thanks, Max.
Laura: Wonderful pets.
Ryan: Well, these rats that we're dealing with, they were not good pets. They are feral rats.
Laura: Give them a chance. Could have been your best friend.
Josh: Could have been a classic Ralph here.
Ryan: The life expectancy is like only a year for a rat anyway, isn't it?
Laura: Correct.
Ryan: Yeah. Same with hamsters and gerbils and stuff like that.
Laura: They last longer.
Josh: Last longer is a weird way to put that somehow more insensitive than anything.
Tighe: I minimum viable product.
Ryan: Ah.
Laura: So you know, I love a best friend movie. I love it when two characters come together and they become inseparable best friends forever. And I think this is a situation like Midnight run. That movie is not as good as you say it is.
Ryan: I'm in the right company for it, though.
Tighe: I don't know. Took your shot when you could.
Josh: Yeah, I'm with you.
Laura: Bunch of weirdos. When Dan and become Herbert become best friends after fighting that cat. That's what I'm saying. Like that is the moment that they become connected.
Ryan: And it's a really trauma though.
Tighe: But it's a weird and united purpose. It sells him on the reanimation.
Laura: It does sell him on that. But it's like you have a horrible thing where you see this traumatic, horrific situation where he's reanimated your dead cat probably after killing him and then reanimates him again after they toss him against a wall and the cat basically explodes.
Tighe: That's the fucked up part.
Josh: Oh, it's great that little after.
Laura: I mean, that happens twice when something gets thrown against the wall.
Josh: Really, the only moment in that scene that I think is truly fucked up is when Herbert, uh, um, psychs him out. And he's like, watch right there. And he starts laughing at him like, got you, motherfucker. Right now. Now is the time.
Ryan: Uh, but the thing is, by the time that happens and he's also encouraged to believe in the serum, is that we've already characterized him as a doctor who has prevented to save many of the lives that he's obviously tried to save in the operating room or in the doctor's office or wherever. He's constantly taking bodies to the morgue.
Josh: Well, they also establish early on that he has kind of an issue with that where he's spending a little too much time trying to resuscitate that woman. Because I assume this is his residency. So that's got to be, uh it's his boss, but she's like, a good doctor knows when to quit. Which actually that's Stuart Gordon's wife, by.
Laura: The way, that plays. But I think he's still in school. I don't think it's his residency.
Josh: Okay, yeah, you're right. Because they're threatening to revoke his, uh, scholarship.
Laura: Why is he m doing these things? Shouldn't he be studying? I don't know what medical school is like.
Tighe: I got to say, they make it sound real hard.
Ryan: Maybe that's just do you get I.
Laura: Mean, I actually try and resuscitate.
Tighe: Scrubs. What a big ding in the medical professions.
Laura: Yeah. So none of our moms watch General Hospital?
Josh: I guess not.
Tighe: I worked on General Hospital.
Josh: Is that true?
Tighe: It's very true. I came to Universal for a week and I got hired as a PA, which on General Hospital, that means doing every single thing you're like, sure. Direct this unit. Hold this lie. It's not far from the truth.
Josh: When was this?
Tighe: Oh, God. 2005.
Josh: Six okay.
Tighe: It was 2005.
Ryan: Remember?
Tighe: It was 2005. Yeah, because I got a cruise shirt because they were here for a week. The General Hospital, 2005, Orlando, Florida.
Laura: I was like, yeah, you still have that shirt? Hope so.
Tighe: Probably in a box.
Josh: Did they shoot, like, on the Universal backlog?
Ryan: Yeah.
Josh: Okay, cool.
Laura: Uh, so it wasn't like General Hospital goes out for a day to ride roller coasters.
Tighe: No, it was like they were trying to be backlighty about it, kind of. It was very weird.
Ryan: But scrubs day out.
Tighe: Yeah, exactly.
Ryan: Surgeons fun. We didn't have General Hospital back home, but we had Er. The Michael Crichton show. Yeah.
Tighe: The Hunkiest.
Ryan: Bunch of hunks from the know, I think. Well, Laura knows I like that show to the point where I started watching it from the very beginning, like a year and a bit ago.
Tighe: Great idea. I should do, like, a hard Er.
Josh: It is fucked.
Ryan: I was just really difficult.
Josh: I mean, my friend Matt started watching Murder, She Wrote from the beginning.
Tighe: Yes.
Josh: That was during the lock. When Lockdown started, he was like, what am I going to do? And he's like, there's something like 800 episodes.
Tighe: Did he make it?
Josh: I think he finished it. Oh, my God.
Tighe: Only been, uh, like, 800 days. This is a solid average.
Ryan: Well, I feel like I watched all 800 of them with my gran at some point over the course of her lifetime. So, I mean, yeah, you could have.
Tighe: Probably just seen a handful and had.
Ryan: The impression she used to watch Murder shiro. And also Diagnosis Murder. Uh fucking dick van. Motherfucking dike.
Josh: Yeah.
Tighe: Diagnosis murder.
Josh: Yeah.
Tighe: That was, like, some of the earliest.
Josh: In my mind, it was always a counterpart to Matlock, but they're very different. But in my seven year old mind, or whenever that show was on, I was like, oh, Andy Griffith. And you know, that's a buddy show waiting to happen.
Laura: Hey, wow. Great.
Laura: So I want to get back to their best friendship, which is what I was talking about before, um, because we were talking about how through trauma, right? And so he throws the cat up against the wall.
Ryan: Jesus Christ.
Laura: The cat explodes.
Ryan: But he's more motivated by the promise of the serum, right. And what it brings to his profession.
Laura: So bananas that he saw what the serum did to his cat. Yet he's still 100% on board with the whole operation.
Tighe: That's what I'm saying.
Laura: It's very strange. And he does it again and he says that amazing thing. Um, what does Herbert West say after they reanimate the cat again?
Josh: Because um, Dan says, he's like, no, you lowered his body temperature. He wasn't really dead. He's like, well, do you agree he's dead now? And he picks it up and drops it. He says, do you agree it's dead now? He's like, it's got a broken back. Don't expect it to tango.
Tighe: Yeah, it's a great line.
Josh: Yeah. Screeching puppet that can't really move because all of its fucking bones are broken.
Ryan: I like that bit where they find the dead cat in his slightly open fridge in his room. And they're like, well, you could have wrote me a note. And he's like, what would the rotor said? Like, cat dead. Details later.
Josh: Which I saw that as somebody had as a tattoo, as like a postit note.
Tighe: Wow, that's great.
Josh: I was like, man, I wish I would have thought of that. I would have that on me right now.
Ryan: That's perfect.
Josh: I still may just steal it. That's ah, something I really need on.
Laura: That's wonderful.
Ryan: I think that's perfect. Yes, I think that's perfect.
Laura: That's someone that you could be a best friend with.
Ryan: Yeah. I don't know.
Ryan: End of the day, we get to see old Jeffrey. Our friend Jeffrey, he just chooses the scenery. And he's just like fighting a fucking reanimated cat with a croquet bat. That's all I'm happy seeing.
Laura: Uh, such a good Halloween costume, you guys. Such a good Halloween costume.
Ryan: 2 seconds.
Laura: Spooky penis month.
Ryan: There we go.
Laura: I love that. I don't know. Like he's a perfect mad scientist, mad doctor and best friends after this nonsense. And they just jump on board with this bullshit. Just from here on out, the two of them, the translation forever. Yeah. And he knows how bad it is. And that's the thing. He doesn't seem to ever want to change up the serum. He's just like, I just need fresher bodies every single time. He's like, it's not fresh enough. It's not fresh enough. Which is the same thing he says in the stories.
Josh: Um, uh, we get introduced to Dr. Hill at this point, the villain of the story. Uh, they really do establish the whole um, brain death. And that's what he's trying to narrow down on is how long to twelve minutes.
Ryan: Yeah.
Josh: When he's breaking his pencils in his.
Tighe: Class I got oh, I was going to bring that up. So weird. I love it. Such this very strange thing that just makes her weapon. Exactly. Great cornball line.
Laura: Yeah. He's so combative. Why are you feeding? We're all here to learn.
Ryan: And you're he uses the word ah. Is that is a word from home? Drivel. Love it. Stop talking. Drivel. Ryan. Okay. Um, no. Well, I mean well, yeah. Well, Hill's got the dead man's handshake, as we see.
Laura: Yes.
Ryan: When he's at dinner. Yeah.
Laura: When he shakes Dan's, uh, hand at the dinner table, he does that.
Ryan: It's deliberately dismissive. So it's like you kiss this hand, it's kind of very limp. It's a dead man's handshake.
Laura: Expect a lady's handshake to be back limp.
Ryan: Yeah. And I obviously don't want to come across as this kind of masculine asshole, but you shake hands in your lifetime. And I remember once this is one of the more horrific things I've ever, uh no, I remember I met a friend of a friend and I shook his hand. And it was like shaking the hand of a skeleton. It was like the slightest, softest handshake. And it's like you were like holding on to nothing but air. But you knew there was substance there.
Josh: Turns out he was on chemo.
Ryan: He was perfectly healthy. I will put that out there. Well, I don't know. I mean, I can just demonstrate. So Ty, put your hand out.
Tighe: It's weird.
Ryan: Yeah, see, it's strange, right, Fish?
Josh: Yeah.
Ryan: See, uh, and it's just like there's just no grip there. I knew the guy had some grip. Like there was something there. He had plenty of, uh, jokes, but it wasn't very funny.
Laura: It's, um, a thing that often happens to women, though, where men will go to shake your hand and they expect a woman to kind of curve their hand. And so when the man goes in for the handshake let's do it again. They'll come in like this.
Josh: Oh, okay.
Laura: And kind of grab the inside of your hand. And I'm like, why are you shaking my hand like that? Uh, like I'm a dainty. Like I'm a dainty lady.
Tighe: As if they're going to pull it up and kiss it or something weird.
Ryan: Yeah. Just treat it all the same. Just have it just go in. Nice, people. Um, for doing your forearms, like fucking fine. Just like just shake it nice.
Josh: And you got to assert dominance. Yeah, but it's like competition.
Ryan: Yeah, but hopefully exactly.
Josh: Real man.
Ryan: Uh, I just shook his hand and he broke my arm.
Laura: We're coming up to a pivotal scene, which is the first of two penis scenes in this film at around 51 minutes, where they actually get to attempt to reanimate a body, a human body. And it's tragic and wonderful.
Ryan: It's fucking hilarious.
Laura: It's so bloody. I love it.
Ryan: Oh, it's amazing. It's amazing.
Tighe: Yeah.
Ryan: Um, uh, I'm trying to remember everyone's name, so barbara Crampton's on screen father is not happy with Abbott as a sewer. Um, and they've already found out about the experiments and everything that's kind of going on. And their friendship leading into yeah, well, basically, west, uh, comes his character. Uh, uh, uh. He's being blacklisted because he's fucking crazy.
Laura: Yeah, no shit. I mean, he starts at this school. He's been there, what, three days?
Ryan: And he's already killing animals.
Laura: And he's got his special serum.
Tighe: Why is he even going to school? With access to the lab.
Josh: He had nothing more to learn.
Tighe: Exactly.
Laura: Access to the freshest bodies, the most freshest stuff. So they find this super fresh bodybuilder, essentially.
Ryan: M. Yeah, the fucking tank. The guy who's a human tank.
Tighe: We're going to talk about that guy.
Laura: I got it too.
Ryan: Okay.
Laura: You can do it.
Tighe: You have a tattoo.
Laura: Okay. Yeah. The man that we're talking about, who's the first person reanimated in the morgue, um, is Peter Kent, who was Arnold Schwarzenegger's stunt double on 14 different films.
Ryan: Yay.
Laura: Starting with the terminator all the way through jingle all the way.
Tighe: He's like, I'm out on a high note.
Josh: Yeah, well, that is that is a high note.
Laura: Um, and it makes sense. He's massive.
Ryan: Yes.
Tighe: Once you know that and you watch it, you're like, yeah, that guy is kind of a fucking ringer for Schwarzenegger.
Laura: Hell yeah.
Ryan: Well, there's photos of him on, i, uh, think, like The Predator set as like him and they're shaking hands and hugging and stuff like that. They are literally the exact same size.
Laura: Gosh. Are they best friends, too?
Tighe: I think they actually were.
Laura: I love it.
Tighe: No, legitimately.
Laura: I love Tale of Friendship.
Tighe: It's like friendbodyguard double. They were like, no, it actually does. I kind of want that movie.
Josh: Yeah, that's the biopic we deserve.
Ryan: He's still living though, right? He's still around?
Josh: I play themselves then.
Tighe: I believe he is, but I haven't looked it up in a couple of years.
Laura: I don't know if I haven't checked up on Peter Kent.
Ryan: Yeah. All right.
Tighe: Someone do a wellness check on Peter Kent.
Ryan: Well, look, let's just assume the glass.
Josh: Is and this biopic ends with Jingle All the Way. Oh my god. It's perfect.
Laura: It's so wonderful.
Ryan: I think jingle all the way is okay.
Laura: He is alive, you guys.
Ryan: It's fine. Okay?
Laura: Just fine.
Ryan: Mhm.
Tighe: Godspeed.
Ryan: Well, I'm assuming if he's built like Arnold, he'll last like Arnold.
Tighe: They dropped out at the exact same time. Well, they wouldn't know each other.
Ryan: That's how they figure out who's going to be a stunt double, is like when the babies are born at the exact same time, I'm assuming. There he is. There he is. That's him there. Make sure he's ready.
Laura: Could be like the new story of twins.
Ryan: M m true. Yeah, but then it's like it's a little bit too literal.
Laura: That's true. Well, no, they were actually twins. I don't know what I'm talking about.
Josh: Yeah, they were twins.
Ryan: They were twins. Yeah. Come on, Laura.
Laura: I'm really sorry.
Ryan: Don't take it wish.
Laura: So this reanimated corpse, okay? He tries the fucking fantastic.
Josh: The dead meatball.
Laura: Um, obviously this experiment doesn't go well, as is typical.
Ryan: It depends.
Laura: I mean, it works.
Tighe: It works.
Laura: It works.
Ryan: And he does reanimate. It's just he does cause a little bit of chaos.
Josh: He kicks down a fucking freezer door, like a walking freezer door off the hinges.
Laura: And basically smashes all of his teeth out and proceeds this man's naked as well, because he was in the which is where the penis is just there, existing.
Josh: It is flopping around.
Laura: Flopping around like crazy.
Josh: Uh, I feel like it would have been erect, but I guess they weren't going for realism in this movie.
Laura: Which is interesting because they were because they brought all the cast members to the morgue and then they had photos of, um, um, uh oh, God. What's it called when you cut open a body?
Tighe: Cadavers or autopsy?
Laura: Autopsy. They had autopsy pictures given them to, uh, the special effects people going, this is what we want it to look like. And the special effects guys are like, I don't want this. Yeah. An erect penis.
Josh: I mean, I feel like I'm right. Everything's going full throttle.
Laura: That guy, I mean, he is reanimated. So he's ah, probably full of adrenaline.
Josh: Yeah.
Ryan: There is such a thing as everything.
Laura: Pumping at a million miles.
Ryan: M. There is such a thing as a death erection. It's like people who get like Clerks. Yeah. Well, it's like people who get severe neck injuries. They just get unstable kind of blood flow and they end up getting erections at the same time. They can't move, but they have an erection. There's nothing they can do about it.
Josh: Sleep paralysis.
Ryan: Yeah. Pretty much.
Laura: Sleep erection.
Ryan: Yeah.
Josh: I only get erections when I see my sleep paralysis. Demon. Anyway, another story when he's scared.
Ryan: When the demon M sitting on my lap. Yeah. Or at least I hope it's a demon sitting on my lap, he fucking kicks down the door and crushes him on the other side.
Laura: It's rough and he just jumps on it. Doesn't that jump right on his face?
Tighe: Purposely brutal.
Ryan: Yeah. Because how many times have I seen the movie? Maybe like, I don't know, ten or ten or 15 times or something at this point. But I don't remember the crunching of when he jumps on it to be so clear.
Laura: It's all in his teeth.
Ryan: Yeah, his fucking teeth are all fucked up. They're all like tiny little slathers that are in his mud still.
Laura: Little Willem.
Josh: I noticed some of this kind of stuff when I finally bought the Blu ray a couple of years ago. I had the same double disc DVD in the Green case. Uh, clear as.
Ryan: There'S a couple of different versions of the movie. And I feel like the version we watched today, which we watched on shudder because we don't have reanimator on DVD or Blu ray.
Laura: Uh, not yet.
Ryan: Well, no, I think I did have a version of it at some point, but, uh, yeah, no idea where it is. So I kind of feel like some of these scenes and some of these moments are elongated in the Unrated cut, which I feel like, judging by the amount of research we've done on all the rest of the films that we've covered on this podcast, tend to be the European releases.
Josh: That's technically true. In the director's cut, those gore scenes are longer, but it's actually a shorter cut of the total running time of the film.
Ryan: Right. Okay.
Josh: It's a tighter cut.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Okay. Um, and then there's an integral version that they put where it's the Unrated and the R, and they put the scenes that are in the R that aren't in the Unrated. And they put them together. It's like 103 minutes.
Josh: Right.
Ryan: Okay.
Josh: Which that's my personal favorite version.
Ryan: Yeah. I don't know. The longer the better, I feel like.
Laura: Hey. Personally trying to think of what else to say about this scene. It's wild. There's so many things.
Ryan: Fucking picks them up. He throws them against the wall. He does a, uh, uh, virgin spring and just throws him against the wall. Everything's crashing around. And obviously Herbert West has to get in there and just fucking drill him in the spine.
Tighe: Can we talk about that weird two handed punch that, uh, he's doing? He's like he's not just like, punching the guy or grabbing his hair.
Josh: He's taking these weird two handed axe.
Tighe: Chops, like a big flat.
Ryan: Like, the thing is, if you use both of your arms at the same time, it is twice as strong.
Josh: False.
Laura: That's science.
Josh: False.
Ryan: It's the reason why in the fight between Kirk and, uh, fist around, that's why it works.
Tighe: Anyway, it's just OD. So interject. But yes, he is. Of course it's OD. Very OD.
Ryan: It looks weird and strange. It's like you're swing a baseball bat, except you don't have a baseball bat. Yeah.
Tighe: And the big sound effect they put under it brings it even more like weird. Why is that happening?
Ryan: But, uh, yeah, I don't know.
Ryan: This is kind of also, like, obviously with the death of this reanimated individual, um, they're not zombies in this movie, whereas you destroy the head or the brain or whatever, and they stop moving. Um, in this, I'm assuming it's just get rid of the vital organs and.
Josh: They'Ll just die normal.
Ryan: Yeah. Um, because technically, when the head is removed, it's still alive, to be fair.
Laura: Um, yeah, that's like in the story, uh, all of the corpses that he's reanimating, they'll either escape in the story and they're just running around like kind of like Frankenstein's monster, how he was, like, hunting him. He was always worried that he was going to come back and kill him or he would just kill them with a gun. He would just shoot them.
Ryan: Yeah. Because this is like a kind of never went well. Yeah. Uh, because I mean, this film was always pitched to me, or at least the idea of Reanimator was always pitched to me as if it was kind of like a zombie flick. And it really isn't.
Tighe: No.
Ryan: It's kind of like a weird hybrid between I guess, like a, uh, rising from the dead idea. Plus, obviously the Frankenstein's monster idea, which I feel like is more prevalent in obviously, Bride of Reanimator.
Laura: Oh, yeah.
Ryan: He's constructing something. Um.
Tighe: Well, I remember was it yes. Night that said he wanted it to be oh, man. What was it? Um, the production values of The Howling with oh, my God. What was the other thing? Like the body count of something else.
Ryan: Oh, I've actually yeah.
Tighe: I just thought it was such a great quote. Now I can't remember it.
Ryan: Oh, Evil Dead Two.
Tighe: It was like it was the body count and gore of Evil Dead Two with the production values of The Howling.
Laura: Nice.
Tighe: I was like, okay. Very specific.
Josh: Huh.
Laura: He knows what he.
Ryan: Yeah. What yasna wants, yasna gets.
Josh: That's true.
Laura: Damn. Mhm m right. Yeah. When he brings out that bonesaw thing.
Josh: Yeah.
Laura: I love bonesaw. Right through the chest.
Laura: I mean, a m lot of stuff happens here as well. I mean, the Dean is killed and.
Tighe: That'S kind of a little shocking. Like early on, they kill him.
Ryan: And then obviously Herbert West has the fantastic idea of being like he is the freshest corpse we have.
Laura: Freshest body I've ever seen.
Josh: That's a good moment, too, because that's when you really see, um, just how amoral he is about the whole thing, where he's like do we see there's no time to discuss this. This is the freshest body we have. We're doing it. There's no moment of him. Hesitating.
Laura: Have you ever seen a ah, human with a decapitated head trying to maneuver around?
Ryan: I love this movie so much. It's so fucking good.
Laura: So is this when Dr. Hill comes? Does he come over to West's house with all the experiments? Is that when that happens? And he's in lab in the basement and he's looking at all of his data.
Ryan: It's also coupled with the fact that obviously, um know, Dean gets arrested. Um, and he's acting erratically.
Laura: Um, he's in a street jacket.
Ryan: He's got a mystery jacket.
Laura: He's got the padded room.
Ryan: Yeah.
Josh: Well, fuck it.
Ryan: Hill's got, uh, an office. And he's got his own padded room connected to the office.
Laura: That is strange. He has a two way mirror in.
Josh: His office we haven't really addressed yet. Also, that he's developing this laser technology to control, to mind that's a whole subplot. That's actually uh it was years before I realized that's what was going on.
Laura: Yes. And that's a subplot that is not included in the R rated version of the film. But is integrated into the end of the film because he does mind control. All of, uh, the corpse.
Tighe: Yeah, he like, hypnotizes them, right? Because he's doing hypnotism at some point, like concurrently with the laser.
Ryan: Because none of that stuff a little vague. None of that stuff that we watched today had any of that stuff included other than the fact that he's drilling holes into the heads of dead bodies, which is pretty much what he's doing at the beginning of the film when we first meet him.
Laura: Well, and he's always talking about how he's found the part of the brain that controls free will. And so that's probably part of that mind control thing where maybe he's drilling that out of them, drilling that part of the free will out of the brain. The dean was lobotomized. So there is that scene where Dr. Hill is going to try to steal West's mhm research and in an incredible decision, uh, that he made to grab a snow shovel.
Ryan: Well, Hill knew Gruber.
Tighe: Yeah.
Ryan: He knew the work of Gruber.
Laura: Oh, correct.
Ryan: And for whatever reason, they did not agree, and Wes was working with Gruber. So they're all kind of interconnected in one way or another.
Laura: It's a small medical world. But, uh, yeah, I mean, there's that Gruesome moment where he batters Hill in the back of the head with that snow shovel and then decapitates him.
Ryan: Fucking love it so much.
Laura: That was part of the original story where they were in the Great War. And of course, Herbert West wanted to be a surgeon in the war, so he could have like, a fresh supply of bodies all the time. And his old professor, who was also a doctor and a surgeon, um, was in a helicopter or a plane crash in the war. This is in the story, not in the movie, right? So they bring in the body and it's decapitated. And so he tries to reanimate the body other than the head, but then it reanimated both. And so, uh, then a bomb dropped on the tent where they were doing the surgery. So they had no idea what happened to the body. But eventually, it comes back in the very last story, where he has, like, the body is reanimated and fully aware of everything that's happening. And he makes himself a wax head in the story. And they lead a revolution to basically disembowel Herbert West in the story. It's kind of amazing.
Josh: That's fun.
Laura: So I think that's where this came from, because they did put all the stories together. So you have eventually, Hill, who is reanimated where his head's reanimated, his body's reanimated, and they're working together. But for whatever reason, he puts on that model head that he had on his desk and straps it to his body.
Tighe: Well, he's trying to get past the security guard because he puts the surgical mask on, too.
Ryan: So he thinks he gets here's the thing. It's obviously played for laughs.
Tighe: Yes.
Ryan: This is a comedy.
Laura: Of course. I'm like, you could put your own head back on.
Josh: That wouldn't be funny, though.
Ryan: Yeah, but it wouldn't be funny, uh.
Tighe: Funny when it's like also yeah.
Ryan: Also, I kind of feel like they're working within the means of their special effects budget as well.
Laura: I think that was the most expensive thing, was that head, like, dealing with that head.
Ryan: Yeah. As far as yeah. Um, I don't think you're actually wrong there because I'm pretty sure I've heard that before.
Josh: I like, too, that there is a security guard at this morgue. And right away they establish that even the security guard doesn't understand why he's there.
Ryan: Yeah.
Josh: Where he jokes immediately. No one's trying to break in and nobody's breaking out.
Ryan: That might, uh, also be the only issue I have with this film is that there's this long hallway. It's relatively quite narrow. That's where they put the desk that he's checking. And then it's obviously just adjacent to where the door is.
Josh: There's a similar thing in Jason Goes to Hell too. I don't know. Maybe this is just a horror comedy.
Ryan: Uh, yeah. Yeah.
Josh: Just doesn't make sense. Why?
Ryan: It's just well, I like the idea that every time someone comes down, he's just desperate to talk to someone. So he has like, a joke to say and he's just like, I need to get a coffee.
Laura: He's adorable. He's really great during the whole end sequence as well.
Ryan: Yeah. Well, I mean, to be fair, he analyzes the situation. He's just like, I'm, uh, not getting paid enough for this. He just fucking books it out of there.
Laura: He appropriately responds to the chaos.
Tighe: He's like, nope.
Laura: This section of the film where we have Dr. Hill's reanimated body and reanimated head in a this is so disgusting and so memorable that I don't even know how to put it into words properly. I'm trying to remember the sequence of events as well, about how we also get Barbara Crampton in the room. I'm trying to remember.
Ryan: Well, the thing is oh, the dad.
Josh: Comes he uses the mind control to get his father to, uh, see the mind control m because he wants to fuck.
Laura: Yeah. The reanimated dad. Dean throws her on the table. Or she's like knocked out, right?
Ryan: Yeah, she's knocked out.
Josh: She's knocked out at this point.
Laura: Rips her shirt off. Rips her panties off.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: And straps her down to this table rather loosely, luckily.
Tighe: Um, I love that insert.
Laura: Yeah.
Tighe: It's like noted.
Laura: Yeah. And then Hill can try to have.
Josh: His way with this woman in the best way possible.
Ryan: It's wonderful.
Josh: Ah. Using go for it.
Laura: Go for it, Josh. Come on.
Josh: Holding his own severed head. And it's interesting that he is being relatively polite, given the situation.
Laura: What?
Josh: Because he could just go to thrusting. He could just jam at home. But no, he's going to oh, my God. He performs connellingus on her, which I think is a nice gesture to start.
Laura: Does he actually do that in the version you watched?
Josh: Yeah, it's not extended, but it's definitely what he's doing down there.
Tighe: It's brief.
Laura: You see more interrupted.
Ryan: Yeah, there's more shots in the longer version of the movie. Ah.
Laura: Um.
Josh: This kind of brings me to a funny anecdote.
Ryan: Okay, nice.
Josh: The first time I ever watched this movie was at, uh, the early days of Netflix when it was still DVD in the mail.
Laura: Oh, yeah.
Josh: All right. So, um, I wanted to watch it. I had read about it, and so I ordered it comes in the mail, open it up. I'm at home, I'm 16, maybe mhm. And immediately, uh, my fairly Christian mother sees it. She's like, oh my gosh, I saw that in theaters with your dad. I haven't seen it since then. And she suggests this is what's key here. She suggests that we watch it together. And, uh, I was like, yeah. And something interesting about her is that she was relatively conservative, but she always kind of secretly really liked cheesy, uh, horror movies. Especially like 80s gory comedies. She's always had like, don't tell anybody at church sort of thing. But she was into that shit. Anything too gross. She wasn't like, not Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but like, Freddie was her jam. And we're, uh, fine the whole movie. We're okay. And again, I'm like 16, I'm not a little kid. Well, that scene comes up and I have never seen a look like that on my mother's face. I think that her knee jerk was to blame me. But then she processed it real quickly and then it was instantly shame, all while trying to get the remote to work to turn it off. And she couldn't. So she's just mashing fucking buttons. Just can't handle it. But what's really funny is that a similar thing happened not two weeks prior that I ordered the uncut version of Requiem for a Dream, because I had only seen the R rated version when I got that in the mail. She says to me, oh, I've read about that movie. I heard it's really upsetting. Um, I had only seen the R rated version. So I suggested that we watch it together. And a very similar series of events happen at the ask to ask scene. But it was my fault. And so I held that shit over head, being like, well, I guess we're square now, aren't we, mom?
Laura: You know what? I read that it was a rumor that David Gale's wife divorced him after she saw the movie and saw that scene. That she couldn't deal with that scene, and she was so horrified that she divorced him.
Tighe: I had heard that she had a visible reaction in theater. She really hated it.
Laura: But I think it was probably just a joke around the crew.
Ryan: That'S like that recent story with Arnold. And I think he's still married to Maria Shriver, where he lied about not doing the sex scenes in Conan. But then he did and she's not happy about it even to this day from hearing about it.
Laura: Really?
Ryan: Yeah. Well, he didn't really fuck that witch. I mean, he just kind of I can't imagine.
Josh: Then he got married to an actor.
Tighe: Yeah.
Laura: Right, right.
Josh: That seems a little silly to well.
Laura: You have to be honest.
Josh: That's the I do agree with that, if that was the actual issue.
Josh: But I, um, don't know. Seems a little silly to lie about it in the first place. Everyone involved seems pretty insecure.
Ryan: Well, I don't know. I mean, there's probably some other indiscretions that Arnold is not disclosing.
Laura: He's already been uncovered for plenty of them.
Ryan: Yeah, that's true. He's got a few so maybe David.
Josh: Gale was just fucking everybody prior to that.
Ryan: Uh, yeah.
Josh: That Cocksmith.
Ryan: Yeah. I mean, he's got he's got those receding gums, that's for sure.
Tighe: Fucking god, that hair that looks simultaneously soft and hard at the same time.
Laura: This leads right into the final penis scene, which is a penis extravaganza at the end of this film.
Ryan: Yeah. Beds.
Laura: Totally.
Josh: Cocktoberfest.
Laura: You just blew my mind right now.
Josh: That's what the series should have been called for these fucking movies.
Laura: Penis Month. I'm an idiot. Cocktoberfest. We're changing it next year. This is it, our very last I.
Ryan: Do want to point out that on the list of names for things that we were going to do, cocktoberfest was on there.
Laura: Was it?
Ryan: Yes. And you didn't like it.
Laura: I like spooky penis.
Tighe: Should we record some wild lines of saying cocktoberfest? That you could just put it over spooky Penis Month. You just go back and be like, that never happened.
Ryan: Yeah. The thing is, she can record them. I'm going to leave them where they are.
Laura: It doesn't matter. We're changing.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: I love that.
Ryan: Um, well, I mean, that's fine. You have to give credit to Josh Martin. So every time you say it's like.
Josh: Yeah, clearly just reading it wasn't enough. You needed the enthusiasm. Yeah.
Ryan: I remember the reaction just being nope.
Laura: Really disappointed in my past self. The end scene is absolute and utter mayhem.
Ryan: Anarchy. Yes.
Laura: Where you see Hill's, uh, mind control go up and all of the corpses get up because you've got everyone's there now. Because we've got megan was saved.
Ryan: Well, yeah. All of the corpses that we were like, oh, I wonder what they look like that we'd been introduced to before. Uh, we finally get to see they're all real naked. They're all completely.
Josh: Mean, all bodies are beautiful, blah, blah, blah. But these aren't like attractive, stereotypically Hollywood, attractive people.
Ryan: Yeah.
Tighe: I was kind of curious where they got these guys from, like an immortalized, uh dude.
Ryan: The thing that gets me about this moment when they all wake up, the one that always gets me is the guy who's, like, pulling the shit out of his fucking mouth.
Tighe: He makes his presence known quickly.
Ryan: Yeah. And I'm not even too sure what they are. I'm assuming it's like medical cabling. But I always thought it was just like his fucking inner throat that he's just like pulling out.
Laura: I thought he had guts and stuff hanging out as well.
Ryan: A lot of intestines going on in this well, we watched it this time. Uh uh, I guess I'd seen this sequence, like god knows how many times. And I think when we were vetting this film in particular for these moments. Because again, I was just like, I mean, we could do reanimator. And you're like, what? And I'm like, no, we could do reanimator. Because there's fucking naked people in reanimators. Loads of totally forgot in like reanimator. And you're like, what? You Joe. And we only watched that bit where he crushes the guy with the door. And then the ending sequence of reanimator where it's just cocks are plenty. Yeah. So we get past the cockapalooza. And then there's the part where, uh, Dean, um, he comes to his senses. Or as far that he can come to his senses. And he takes Hill's head and he crushes it with his bare hands.
Laura: Yeah. He's trying to protect his daughter. He finally after her screaming the whole time, uh, he starts fighting back all the naked corpses.
Ryan: Yes. I mean, it's my favorite bit in the movie probably where he crushes it, mushes his eyeballs.
Laura: Uh, a lot of eyeball work in this movie. A lot of popping eyeballs.
Ryan: Yes. Pushes his eyes into his fucking head. And then he crushes it like a little water balloon. And then he throws it at the wall. And then we see the reaction of the security guard, who's then like, yes, no, I'm done. I'm going home.
Tighe: I love his magazine. Boudoir such a great if it was never a magazine, if it was never a real skin mag, it absolutely should be Boudoir. It just feels just the right amount of trashy. Like a circle K in a well lit neighborhood. Right. Uh, this is riding a fine line here.
Laura: Oh my god. Yeah. There's so many bodies. There's that whole thing where Herbert's like wrapped up with that dude's.
Tighe: It does turn like dead alive for like one moment.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: I like that. It's not just the body. It's not the head, it's not the hands.
Tighe: It's like every everything is animated now.
Laura: Has a minded.
Ryan: It becomes a little bit more aldrich and kind of falls more into that kind of lovecraftian stuff where it's almost otherworldly. Which, um, I quite adore that moment for. Because it's like the bright light coming out of it. And it's kind of just like yeah, you're going to pass into another dimension through this man's chest, which I think is fucking amazing. But then we don't really see that stuff until much later on. Uh, from beyond, which I think is his follow up film after that.
Josh: It is where kind of uh, jeffrey Combs and Barbara Crampton kind of switch characters too.
Tighe: A little bit.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: There's no dick in it. I wish that there was. And it's a movie where you would.
Josh: Fully expect to 100% too sexy.
Laura: It's got all the leather work.
Tighe: Uh, yeah.
Josh: I mean, really? Barbara Crampton shines in that movie.
Ryan: Yes.
Josh: That's when boys become men.
Tighe: Yeah. At that point.
Ryan: Yeah.
Tighe: You probably I think I became a man, too.
Ryan: Yeah. But I guess yeah. I don't know. I mean, I have a really soft spot for Reanimator. So I feel like Reanimator just for its it's a little bit more hokey and a little bit more ropey. And I kind of appreciate that. Uh, a little bit more. Because from beyond, it feels incredibly polished.
Josh: I actually think From Beyond is a bit meaner.
Tighe: Not it's not as overly fun at points.
Laura: So it does feel a little wetter.
Laura: I want to talk about the very last reanimated body that's chasing them down is chasing down Dan and Megan as.
Ryan: They'Re trying to get elevator.
Laura: Uh, is naked as well.
Josh: I don't know.
Laura: They're all naked.
Ryan: Yeah. Well, he's the guy who got the shotgun to the face. That's that one. Yeah. Because when they label them all, he's the one again, um, I don't know how he's able to do it, but Abbott just kind of pushes the wound further into his head and he just kind of kills him.
Laura: Well, he also chops up his arm.
Josh: Yeah.
Laura: He got the axe.
Ryan: No, that's a different guy. Oh, that's a different guy. Yeah. It's a different character.
Josh: Yeah.
Ryan: He doesn't get up again. There's a guy who gets a shotgun to the face. And then there's the one who's like the horrendous burn victim, who's like all burned on one side. Two different reanimated. Reanimated. Reanimated. Yes.
Tighe: I do love that they would make use of the fact that they were building sets and do these. Not always perfectly executed or timed, but long dolly shots. Come out of an elevator, go down to the morgue, go into the morgue, and then come down the hallway at the end towards the elevator to get the kids in there. It's some of the few big cinematic flourishes where you're kind of like, oh, he's doing something.
Ryan: Yeah. That's one of my favorite shots is when he gets that axe. And then the camera falls on Tripping right down that fucking hallway to uh, cut that guy's arm off.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: Opens the he doesn't get there quick enough. Her fucking neck's all fucked up. Fucking crushed her laryx or whatever.
Laura: Yeah. I don't think they tried hard enough. I don't think they tried hard enough to save her. Just saying. And also he starts giving her CPR instead of mouth to mouth, like she needed to breathe because she was choked. And he starts trying to is he really yeah, he's doing chest compressions.
Josh: Terrible doctor.
Tighe: But she needs maybe he shed fluff.
Laura: Air to her throat. But if her throat is crushed, obviously you're not getting air in there. But he never once in all trying to give anyone mouth to mouth resuscitation.
Ryan: I mean, he was also only a, uh, medical student. And he was surrounded by he was.
Josh: Surrounded by CPR was the next day.
Laura: In that morgue dealing with dead people.
Tighe: I do love how fast, uh, Stuart Gordon's wife is barbara Gordon. He's just kind of like, yeah, call her. You can't count to three. And she's like, yeah, she's fucking dead.
Josh: You know what I really love about Barbara Gordon is her fucking glasses.
Tighe: Oh, my god.
Josh: They're just these sick coke bottles. Oh, they're so good. They're so cool.
Ryan: They're not those RoboCop glasses.
Laura: She's hot. She's got it. That chick from RoboCop.
Ryan: Yeah. She was doing all right back in 1980.
Laura: I brought a picture of that girl from RoboCop into the eye doctors. And I go, can I get these glasses? And they look at me like I'm in maniac. And they go, we don't do that. You can find some vintage ones and bring them in. We don't sell those. And I was like, uh, she's dead, is she? Until next time. No one ever learns their lesson.
Tighe: No.
Laura: Over and over.
Ryan: It's all for the advancement of science.
Josh: No, not making no reanimation is not for the advancement of science. That's pure hubris. That he's so sad that he'll love his life, that he's known for a semester or whatever.
Laura: They're going to get married.
Josh: They're fuck buddies at best. Let's be real. They're in college. Doesn't know.
Laura: Yeah.
Josh: I mean, they'll be divorced in ten years. That's probably true. Um, it's okay when your bride comes.
Ryan: Up to the altar and she's just foaming at the mouth and she can't say words. It's perfectly okay.
Laura: Yikes.
Ryan: Yeah. No, he injects her with the serum and she, uh, comes back alive again.
Laura: Well, you don't know.
Ryan: Maybe.
Josh: Well, she screams that's the final shot fades to black. Except for the, uh, solution in the syringe. The syringe goes down. Scream. Then that classic, uh, stolen score.
Laura: That glue stick juice.
Ryan: Oh, my god.
Tighe: Not sticking in her neck, by the way.
Laura: Oh, no, you never see, uh, it.
Tighe: Yeah, they've done it a little better. But that one is so, like man, they're just burning out of the last of their film. Like, shit, we have enough. One more take.
Josh: You know what I mean?
Tighe: It's like, you could have got done that better. Yeah. And I guess you're supposed to think that Jeffrey Combs is dead. Um, yeah, they imply it.
Ryan: It's heavily implied. The thing is, in classic horror fashion, if you don't see them die, they're not dead.
Tighe: Yeah.
Laura: And in this movie, if you do see them die, they're not dead either.
Ryan: They're not dead either. No. They can be brought back.
Laura: I gave him life.
Ryan: Well, we. Didn't talk about the glow stick juice.
Laura: I mentioned it a second ago. But in the passing comment that it's glow stick juice, that is the serum.
Ryan: Yeah. Easily one of the simplest and most effective special effects on a film I've ever seen.
Tighe: Barbara Crampton's. Like Crampton's like tan and taupe sweater she's wearing.
Josh: Mhm.
Tighe: Oof, wow. Just the coziest thing I've ever seen.
Josh: And I like that they kind of allude to it in, uh, Drew Barrymore and Scream. It's a very similar.
Tighe: In my, uh don't know.
Josh: I think that it's enough that somebody in wardrobe on Scream was kind of giggling to themselves. I don't think it was necessarily into the script or something. That was a decision by Wes Craven.
Ryan: Sure.
Josh: I think that there was somebody in wardrobe on screen.
Tighe: I remember hers being more just like straight cable and not just so constant.
Josh: I could be wrong, but, uh, I.
Ryan: Mean, aesthetically it is it does kind of ring bell. I mean, it's the dress of the innocent.
Tighe: Yeah, sure. Big comfy loose.
Josh: M unsexual.
Laura: M. Well, that's what you say.
Josh: I mean, she's pretty sexual being in that movie, for being so innocent.
Ryan: We're talking about the conventions of the horror genre. They are for the sexy sexies.
Laura: Sexies, yeah, they're for the sexies.
Laura: Okay, great. So let's go around and we're going to get our ratings from everybody. And we're going to start off with our penis scenes. And we go on a scale from zero to five. Five being the absolute best. Zero being the absolute worst in terms of visibility and context. And we'll go ahead and start with Ty because it's his first time on the podcast. And so what's say thee on, um, visibility and context for those dick scenes?
Tighe: Oh, I mean, they're deeply in context. Uh, I'm going to ding them. Do I rate it separately or is.
Laura: One I like to put them together.
Tighe: Just, um all right, then I'll call it a four because there's lots of context. But I got to ding the visibility because it is a little dark. It's artistic. But you're not getting this isn't like a sunny day nude.
Josh: It's harsh overhead lighting, almost people with two sandwiches.
Tighe: Yeah, some harsh overheads and dark shadows. So, uh, presentation could be better. But lots of context.
Ryan: One of them is a fucking stuntman. No, he would need more than a couple of sandwiches. You see the size of that boy?
Josh: Yeah.
Tighe: You bring in one pro, teach the rest how to do.
Ryan: Yeah, that's true. Here's your sandwiches. Just throw them on the ground and be like.
Josh: A box full of paper sacks.
Ryan: Turn it over.
Josh: Roll camera. They're all freaking. It's actually not acting. They're fighting over bags of sandwiches in that scene.
Laura: Okay, Josh, visibility and context, I'm, um.
Josh: Going to agree with. I mean, context isn't even a question. Clearly, they're nude bodies and a morgue. Uh, but I agree. I'm actually going to go a little lower, even, I think a 3.5.
Laura: Okay.
Josh: Um, I've seen better Dixon movies, better representation of Dixon movies. It's fine. It's acceptable. But honestly, I don't even really notice it that much.
Tighe: Because it's clinical.
Josh: That's exactly why it's clinical.
Ryan: Um, straight.
Josh: I mean, they could have done some inserts of some close ups, just that's fair.
Laura: You also said that one wasn't direct.
Josh: Oh. And that really does upset me. His dick should have been as angry as he was just screaming.
Laura: Okay, Ryan, visibility and context, please.
Ryan: Okay. So no, I agree with the context, but I do agree with Josh in that it's maybe a little bit too dark and there could be a little bit more focus on it. I kind of feel like it's trying to be deliberately quite careful. But I will say this is one of the few occasions where I've gone, we can do that movie because there's that there and you didn't even have an inkling about it.
Laura: That's true.
Ryan: Where in most cases usually yeah, in most cases, you're like, it's like one of my favorite films of all time. You're like, yeah, there's a dick in there. And I have no idea there's a cock anywhere in the existence of that film.
Laura: I think it's, um because I maybe haven't no, we watched it together and then you said it afterwards, so yeah. I don't know what's going on with me. Usually it's like, I see a butt or I see skin, and I'm like, oh, where is it?
Ryan: Yeah, this looks like weird perverse nature that you have. You just kind of see something and then you kind of point out that's.
Laura: Why we're all here right now.
Ryan: You're welcome. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. If it wasn't for you, we wouldn't be here.
Laura: So for me, I originally had it down as a four. And I think that I always tend to rate things higher just because I'm happy it's there. Because obviously I want there to be more of it and have kind of an equal representation.
Ryan: They also have to be impartial, though.
Laura: I know. And you're right. And so I'm going to go ahead and also give a three and a half. I mean, I could even go to a three, but I'm not going to do that because there are so many volume. And I also saw there are moments in that final chaos scene where you can see some of the actors moving in certain ways. And it kind of looks like they are trying to avoid being fully in front of the camera.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Um, I noticed it at least one time. I think it's in the back. And I'm like, okay, now he's moving his leg in this certain type of way to be a bit shielded, which.
Ryan: Well, uh, there's already quite a fraught there's a fraught kind of situation with the movie, is that when it comes out, originally, it's, like, unrated until it kind of gets picked up. And then it needs to be rated in one way or another. So I kind of feel like they're trying to cover all their bases in one way or another. That's my only thing for that. It's like they're being told to make sure that they do things a certain way and then that's all they were able to get.
Laura: Out of all of the things that would be problematic for a ratings board, that's probably the least of their worries.
Ryan: Well, I think you would be surprised, as we have done over 35 something episodes of this podcast, is that usually when there's a deck involved, that, uh, is the primary culprit. Uh, it's like, no, too late.
Josh: Yeah. Getting an extra NC 17.
Ryan: Yeah. Because no one wants the dreaded NC 17.
Laura: You don't get your movie out there.
Ryan: No. Or you just release it in Europe only. And it gets an 18 rating. Yeah.
Laura: Which makes sense.
Laura: So then we are here for our final ratings of the film altogether. And we'll just go back in a circle again. Ty, what do you think? Zero to five. Five being, uh, the tip top culmination of everything you've ever wanted in a film. Zero being it's trash.
Tighe: I mean, it's a solid four. Four and a half. I would call it one of my favorite movies. Um, in a movie I've probably seen not the most, but up there, I mean, it's probably definitely my top ten most seen movies. So, yeah, I'm going to stick with the four and a half. I think I'm just trying to not be overly nice like I feel I can be. But yeah, four and a quarter.
Laura: If you desire going four and a quarter, you can do anything you want with the numbers, except they have to be between zero and five. That's fine.
Josh: Um oh, no, I'm not I'm five stars. This is a goddamn perfect movie. Uh, my letterbox top four are exorcist this female trouble and Clifford. Those are the four best movies ever made.
Laura: Oh, wait, no, it's your turn. Sorry.
Ryan: If you want to skip me, I mean, that's fine. I think you already know what I'm going to say.
Laura: Go for it.
Ryan: Five stars. Yeah. Movie is fucking awesome. Yeah. I always like the kind of low budget, kind of hokey sort of stuff. And this just has a really good story behind it as well. So yeah, I mean, I've always liked this movie from the first time I saw it.
Josh: Just so messy.
Ryan: Yeah, I like that, though.
Laura: It is very messy.
Ryan: Yeah. But I think it's original. It's got fantastic story. There's a whole bunch of stuff behind it where I'm like there is plenty of occasions where this film would have just ceased to be in one way or another, depending on the direction that it was going to. Uh, no.
Ryan: And also it's, uh, Jeffrey Combs best role, the one he's most synonymous with.
Laura: Most frequent role.
Ryan: It's the role he's synonymous with. Yeah. I can't remember all the characters he played.
Josh: And tell that to a Star Trek. Trekkie, exactly.
Ryan: Fucking Star Trek. Yeah. I can't name all the roles he played in the fucking Star Trek.
Josh: He was in shows multiple.
Ryan: What do you mean? He was in Star Trek? Yeah, all of them.
Laura: Was he in Next Generation?
Josh: Yeah. Starting a Next Generation and on I don't know the shows that well, but I do know that he's Voyager and.
Ryan: He plays i, uh, can't remember the alien's name, but he's one of the prominent. It's either Deep Space Nine or Voyager, I think.
Josh: Deep deep Space Nine. He was really prominent.
Ryan: Yeah. And he's like yeah, he's in, like, every episode.
Laura: Wow. Um didn't know that. Okay, here's the thing. Last time I put it down, I gave it a five. It's still a five. Just because I have it written down. I don't know if it's probably more of a four and a half. I'm probably more on your page Ty, with that one because it's not like, my absolute favorite. Uh, but I do love this movie quite a bit. And it always makes me make weird noises because of the things that happen. And I'm always yelling every time. Especially when that door comes down and smashes the dean in the face when the cat goes against the wall. There's so many moments I'm just like the know it's very upsetting when you got that bloody mouth on her boob and she's just trying to push his head away. That shit is disgusting. And I always have a visceral reaction to that shit, which I can appreciate that a film makes me do that. I love when a film can make me physically upset. So it can stay a five for now. I'm going to keep it that way because I think it's a treasure and a treat. Jeffrey Combs in this role is a marvel and a, ah, national treasure.
Ryan: Do you think Stuart Gordon's made a bad movie? I don't mean Stuart Gordon is arguably better director than Quentin Tarantino.
Josh: I would agree with that.
Ryan: So there you go. That's all I wanted to kind of bring up.
Josh: Not a fan. He does not know how to make a rape scene. Funny.
Laura: Wow, you guys, on m that note, uh, thank you so much for being here for part two of Cocktoberfest.
Josh: You're welcome.
Laura: Spooky penis month. Uh, thank you guys so much for being here. I'm so glad that we can make this happen. Reanimator Spooky Penis month. Stuart gordon brian USNA. Very exciting stuff. So, again, thank you guys. Happy Halloweensies.
Josh: Same to you.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Same Halloweeners.
Ryan: It's still not over, though. We still have beyond to do.
Laura: I know, but it's nice. It's just nice to talk about it. Coming to you from mischatonic medical school been Laura.
Ryan: I'm, ah, still Ryan.
Josh: I'm Josh.
Tighe: Still Ty.
Laura: Man about town. We'll see you guys next time. Uh, enjoy. Enjoy your life while you have it.
Ryan: All right? Okay.
Tighe: Hit the button. Make it stop.