An extra special early-release episode! Have you seen Red Rocket (2021) yet?? Well, we try not to spoil too much.
Red Rocket (2021) was such a great film to go see in the cinema. We urge you to go check it out if it's playing in a theatre near you, as long as you feel safe. Did you hear? Simon Rex is BACK. He's back, and he's naked.
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Um.
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Well, hello there. Welcome to On The Bitte, the podcast that uncovers, um, full frontal male nudity in cinema. My name is Laura, and I am joined ever so graciously by my co host, Ryan. Hello, Ryan, Ryan, Ryan, Ryan.
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Imagine that, fellas like hearing that, uh, every so often when you're just sitting somewhere, um, in the house all year. Ryan.
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Well, Ryan, I'm ready to talk about the 2021 comedy drama film Red Rocket.
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Yeah, we thought we'd just jump on the horse.
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Jump on that rocket.
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Jump on the cock, and just fucking get this done. I didn't want to cover this film. I didn't want to cover it so quickly.
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Yeah, I was trying to force you into doing it for weeks, and then all of a sudden today, you're like, let's do Red Rocket.
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You saw it yesterday, and I was thinking more about it, and I was like, well, if anything, covering it now gives it a decent amount of exposure. Not to say that our audience, we'd have any sort of marked benefit to making people go to see this phone, because if you're going to go and see it, you would have seen it when it came out a couple of weeks ago.
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Well, potentially, but we didn't get to see it and we saw it yesterday.
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No. Well, again, Alma, uh, Cron or Delta Cron or whatever Transformer, you want to call it, this point kind of, like ever kind of bearing down on us every single day. So, yeah, for the most part, we've not really been going to the cinema that much. We have missed some certain things, like Nightmare Alley is also another one that probably bears our attention as well. Indeed.
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Um, bears.
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Yes.
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Well, tell me about the director, Sean Baker.
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Okay, so here's my admission for this. This is the first Sean Baker movie I've seen, but I know of plenty of stuff. Well, Stuff's available, and you've been trying to force Florida project on me for a while. It's a good movie, and I'm like, the minute something like that starts to happen, I'm just like, no, I'm not going to watch it.
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You want to jump on the trendy bandwagon?
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No. When even just one person as a positive opinion on something. I'm just kind of like, no, and I just wait until it goes out of style and then I watch it like 20 years later.
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Well, unfortunately, you missed that because it's back in style.
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Was back in style. Um, Florida.
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Florida project. Sean Baker, baby.
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I know. Yes. I didn't just forget who we're referencing today. So Sean Baker, uh.
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Honestly, and I told you this yesterday, I thought Sean Baker was a woman.
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Yeah.
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Like Sean Young. Yeah.
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Exactly like Sean Young. Until yesterday when I looked up an interview and it said he and I'm like, oh, no, I thought Sean Baker was a woman. Just based on the themes of his films, for whatever reason.
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Yes. I guess, like, maybe he has a feminine touch. Here's the thing. And I think this is indicative of his work in general, from what I can understand from watching Red Rocket and from what I've read and stuff to research this episode, so to speak, is that he seems to have a very balanced and very good observational eye for human behavior. Right. So no one ever really kind of seems to exaggerate everyone feels very grounded in a reality. And for the most part, absolutely. Yeah. Truth is relatively stranger than fiction. We already know.
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Yeah.
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He's very much focusing on oddities for the most part. And I'm going to wrap this straight from The Wiki. So he's established a reputation for portraying underrepresented and marginalized subcultures and outcasts.
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Yeah. You can see that from all the films that he's done so far, where you have people who have worked in the sex trade and how he represents those groups in such a way that's very, um, sensitive and interesting.
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Yeah. Never seems at any point he's exploiting anybody.
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No.
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And also he's certainly not making a joke out of anybody, because certainly these are people who are effectively like, kind of they're skirting on the law and they're making their way. They're waking their way in the world any which way.
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Everyone's scraping by and just trying to survive.
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Yes. So that's very much what I'm seeing in Red Rocket as well.
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Yeah.
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Uh, I don't know. I'm in the midst of making stuff and making things in Florida and in the United States. His stuff kind of interests me quite a lot. So let's just cover him as a filmmaker. So, uh, he's listed as a director, cinematographer, producer, screenwriter, and editor. So pretty much from the catalog of the work that I have down here, which is about eight films, not including Red Rocket, he's played pretty much the main roles in production for most of these films.
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You know that. Well, when you're trying to get things done, you've got to do it yourself. You do things on it. He also has a reputation for doing things on a very low budget, on a shoestring budget, and just trying to put everything together on his own.
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Yeah. And I think you can connect with that. Yeah. Big time. Yes. When you have no money. You have no money to hire people, and you have to take on the front of the work yourself. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak, but I don't think it affects his work. I think it benefits his work. Uh, wouldn't compare him to, like, an Alexander Payne or anything like that. He's very much. His films are all character driven basis, um, of very good performances. That's where all the drama and the comedy come from. Yeah, it's just from the human interactions. So it's a fresh thing, certainly in light of the fact that we are a superhero dominated industry at the moment.
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I love it, though. I'm not mad about it.
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Yeah.
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I like everything people can talk about. And you were bringing this up as well, how people are saying that Marvel is kind of ruining cinema, but, hey, give me some Spiderman. No way home. Give me, um, some Red Rocket. We can have a balance out there. It's not like it's taking over cinema.
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Well, I guess, like.
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My main thing, we were able to go and you said this, too. I'm just copying everything you said. We were able to go watch this in a movie theater. We were able to see it in the cinema.
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Yes, we saw in a multiplex. Multiplex. A place that had a poster up for it and things which had the same amount of films in there. I mean, Screen Five come out today, I think. Uh, and that will be playing on the hour, every half hour on every single screen.
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Probably for the next half screen and then half Spiderman. Yeah.
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So, I mean, the audience speaks with its wallet if people didn't go and see that stuff. And the stuff makes tons and tons of money. And obviously you pump a lot to marketing and things like that. So you can kind of say, well, you know, if some of these other films aren't able to put as much money into marketing, they're just not getting out there enough. I kind of feel like that whole idea, that argument is a little bit bullshit. If people don't want to see it, they won't go and see it.
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Right. Oh, did you hear get back to Sean Baker and tell me. I mean, we already talked over some of his films, but I want to tell you the synopsis of this movie.
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Okay, so big, deep breath.
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Let's go do this. So, 2000, he, uh, makes a film called Four Letter Words. In 2004. He makes Take out here's a more, uh, notable one. Prince of Broadway in 2008, Starlet 2012, Tangerine in 2015. Now, I, uh, heard about Tangerine way before the film came out, um, because Sean Baker also shot it. But it shot on three five s iPhones.
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Yeah, I remember seeing that in this theater. I went and saw it at the end, uh, theater here in central Florida. And I did not know what it was, but I'll pretty much go see any movie. So you want to go see The Tangerine? I'm like, sure. I don't know what this was. Yeah, it was real good. That's a really mhm good idea.
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And anybody who's working in the industry, you've definitely shot a commercial or two on an iPhone. I mean, they're even color matching iPhones to Arri Alexis now, which is, um, insane.
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Yeah, no, I think that's a very interesting thing. And it very much highlights the fact that you don't need the best technology to create your vision for your film at all.
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No. And it really kind of gives it a look and a feel that his films are, I don't know if they're going for, but you're gritty, kind of in your face like you're in the moment. You're walking with these people, you're moving with these people. And especially in Tangerine, I didn't know about the iPhone thing. I don't think until after. Good.
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It basically means that no one out there has an excuse to why they can't do their own. So it's as simple as that. Boom. Florida project, uh, no Snowbird in 2016, then Florida project in 2017 took me ages to see that.
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We were trying to find a theater that was playing that I remember and going, I think we were the only people in the cinema, but it had been out for like, ages. Mhm that one's also very good.
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Yeah.
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Let's go. William Dafoe. And I've not seen it yet.
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I'm a big fan of Florida things.
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Of course you are. You are from Florida.
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I am. So it's really good.
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There's a, um, short in 2021. I'll try my best to pronounce it Ktfw 21. No idea what it is. And then we have Red Rocket, uh, the same year, obviously, in 2021 that was released a couple of weeks ago.
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The synopsis for this straight from Letterboxed. Finding himself down and out in Los Angeles, ex porn star Mikey Saber decides to crawl back to his hometown of Texas City, Texas, where his estranged wife and motherinlaw are living. Just as his dysfunctional family seems to be making things work. Mikey meets a young woman named Strawberry working the cash register at a local donut shop. That's all that it says.
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Yeah.
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Which is fine, but on a hole. I think it's a man who's down and out who's trying to get out of the hole. Um, he's also a piece of shit.
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Yeah. I guess I was concerned with potentially spoiling this movie, um, for people, because it's getting a lot of praise, it's getting a lot of hype. And I will say this, like, straight off the bat, I don't think this film is excellent, but I don't think we're spoiling anything either by talking about it at great length.
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Well, uh, if you are absolutely desperate to see this film and you haven't seen it yet, we might spoil something so just spoiler alert. There you go. Because we did just watch it, and so whatever. Stop. Now if you don't want to hear anything about this movie. But then why did you turn it on?
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Yes, exactly. Why did you switch this on?
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Yeah. What the hell?
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It's because they love us.
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Just because we need them. No, we need them.
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Stay with us. Yeah, I'll try not to spoil anything. Too bad, but it's a character study. It's not like you're going to spoil it. It's not like Spiderman spoilers.
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No, it's not like wild thing spoilers.
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Love wild things.
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Um, yeah. So I guess, uh, it's kind of basically what we're seeing is that Mikey, what's his real seconding? It's not Saber, obviously. Davies Davies originally, um, a Texas boy, because there's a lot of stuff in there where he's like, because he was in California doing porn films, uh, and stuff. He had to get rid of his draw because he sounded like a heck.
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Uh, so condescending as well. He's talking to these people who in Texas, who have grown up and lived there their whole lives. And that happens across the world. It happens everywhere. Where you just ask where you live, that's where your families lived for years. That's where you're going to continue to live and you grow up and potentially have families. And that's just where you are. And he just is incredibly condescending to these people who he's asking for favors on a constant basis because he thinks that he's more important than he is. And what happened to your accent? Well, uh, people were making fun of me, said I sound like a dumb Hick. So I lost the accent and it's like, wow, okay. Talking to these mhm people who have the accent.
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Yes.
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Such a Dick.
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Yeah. The thing is, because of his and I guess I wouldn't call him like, an antihero because I don't think it actually goes that far. But, I mean, he's a fuck up. That's the thing. He's mainly a fuck up.
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He's an antihero in the way that we're following him. And he's like the man we're following throughout the story. It's just terrible.
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Yeah, he's very funny. Yeah, he's very funny. He's very funny. He's obviously got the street smart, so he knows what he's been doing, but he's obviously not done very well. He's kind of purely educated. He's one of those if he would keep his mouth shut.
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Yes, he would get into this.
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But he does have the gift of the gap. Um, I will say that so many times where I was rolling my eyes.
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I'm just like, shut up, dude.
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Yes.
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Oh, no.
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Yes. Well, I mean, that's the thing. His gift is good enough for a 17 year old to effectively coerce her into having a relationship with them. I don't know what's the legal, um, age in Texas?
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17. The legal age of consent in Texas is 17. And I didn't, um, even get to say their names, but obviously we have Simon Rex, who plays Mikey Elrod, who plays Lexi, who is his estranged ex wife.
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No, they're still married.
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Oh, yeah.
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They've never been divorced.
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Yeah, right. Estranged wife. Susanna's son, uh, plays Strawberry. And I was wondering how old Strawberry was. The actor, Susanna, she's 26.
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Okay.
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She looks like a little baby.
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She does, but she's been cast accordingly, so that's good. That is good. So it's still kind of gross. Certainly, when all that when that kind of starts to come come into play. Because, like, the minute he meets her at the donut hall and the donut hole becomes a primary location for most of the movie, the minute that starts to, um, happen, he sees her, and he starts getting. Things start to fucking click in his head. You're like, Bro, please don't.
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I want to say this. Whatever spoilers. But when he sees her at the donut shop, and he's looking in her eyes, and it's flashing back and forth between him and her.
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Yes.
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I'm like, is that his daughter? That's the first thing I thought was like, is this his daughter? Because he likes to have sex a lot, so I don't know. But then it's. It got really weird for me for a while before I realized, oh, no, that's not. He just wants to have sex.
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Okay. I don't share that with you.
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I feel like that was just something that immediately thought maybe that's his kid. He goes, oh, she looks really familiar, right? He didn't say that.
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That's what I thought to the credit of, like, is it Chris? Um, Chris. Who's the other writer? Chris Doe. Chris Doug.
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Oh, my gosh. I didn't write it down.
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Why? You didn't write a fucking thing down?
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No.
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Did I write it down?
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I wrote down. Fun fact.
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Hold on 2 seconds. I wrote it down. It was.
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Thanks for being prepared.
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Yeah. Chris Bercow or Bearcock?
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Uh, I'm not too sure.
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Bearcock.
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Bearcock.
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No.
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Chris bear cock or Chris Bercow. Let's just say Chris Bergo. Chris Bear.
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My God, Ryan.
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Look, I'm trying my best here. I'm trying to read it. Anyway, it doesn't matter. But Chris and Sean, who, uh, wrote the movie, they write a lot of stuff together. Anyway, I think, um, they've written all of Sean Baker's films together, and they're saying that they're. Their films, like, together as a partnership. They're their films.
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That's nice.
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No, sometimes, um, the simplest approach is the easiest approach. There's no point over complicating things by, like, who's his daughter that just kind of showed up for no reason.
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I honestly didn't know what the story was about when we went in.
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Yeah.
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I just knew that a lot of people were coming up to us and sending us messages. Friends of ours are going, you have to see this movie. There's a Dick in it, which. Yeah, that had been coming out before anyone had even seen the movie.
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Yeah.
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Of course, there is full frontal maludity in this film.
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Yes. And finally, we'll kind of go into more detail when we get to those scenes, because there's two there's two more in this movie.
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We didn't know how to do this because we went into the movie and we weren't going to cover it, but I was like, I need to write down the timestamps. But what I was going to do was go in and, uh, I was going to set a timer from when the film started, and then I can remember at what timestamp it is, and then it was just all a mess. I totally forgot.
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We're usually quite used to seeing in our living room and, like, studying and being able to pause the film and then kind of go something, come back and then have notes and stuff in front of us here. We're kind of just doing everything retroactively, and I kind of feel like we did that for the Weebly, for, like, Suicide Squad and things even then. Suicide Squad.
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Yeah, it was on HBO.
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You can watch that on HBO Max. So we were able to actually retroactively, kind of go back and look at it all and see what kind of details we might have missed and all that sort of thing. But in this case, it's like, yeah, we have to make do with our terrible fucking memories, which are awful.
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So bad.
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Absolutely awful. And mine is really bad, but yours is worse.
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Oh, I don't remember anything.
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Oh, awful. Tennis. So, yeah, we're aging so fast.
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That's so rapid.
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Yeah. Degenerative fucking brainworms or whatever the fuck is going on up there.
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It's like we're in the movie old that I haven't seen yet.
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No, I don't think there's Dick in that. And I don't care. What we've described in the synopsis is pretty much we're looking at Mike's day to day musings from the minute he plants himself back at his wife's house, basically coercing her to keep him there. So he has somewhere to stay. He's fucking homeless and he has no money.
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Correct.
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He spent the last of his time getting a bus from California to Texas. And then it's basically how he's wheeling and dealing his way back into these people's lives, who he's left behind. 20 something years.
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17 years.
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Yes.
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To try, uh, and try and make a quick buck. Pretty much, yeah.
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He wants to get back on top. And it is startling, uh, how he treats these people.
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Yes.
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It's really cool because parts of the movie might come back to me, but I think the production and I have a lot of fun tidbits.
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Yes.
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About this. So I think Sean Baker does this a lot where the cast would just be human beings that he found.
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Yes.
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And maybe he'll get them to audition, but he'll find people like, oh, I like your look. Would you like to be in my film? Oh, I like your look. He did the, um, same thing for Susanna Sun. He saw her outside of the ArcLight Cinema in Hollywood, and I think it was for the premiere of that Gus Benz movie. Don't, uh, worry. He won't get far on foot.
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Yes. The Waking Phoenix disabled man film.
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Haven't seen it yet.
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No, it's on Amazon. It's an Amazon movie. We can watch it whenever. Okay.
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Put it on the list.
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It's the disabled man movie.
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Oh, dear. Well, he said that he liked how she looked, and I think it was before he made Florida Project.
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Okay.
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They exchanged email, and he didn't contact her mhm for almost three years after that.
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Okay.
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And she was like, oh, no, it's never, um, going to happen. And then all of a sudden, out of the blue, he contacted her about being Strawberry.
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Okay.
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And a few of the other people were just working at the restaurant. Like, the guy who plays Lonnie was just a server at a restaurant in Texas.
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So.
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Great. The same thing with the Donut Hole. They were just driving around, uh, Texas kind of doing, like, location scouting, I guess, right?
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Yeah.
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And originally they wanted Strawberry to be working at a food truck outside of the plant.
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Whatever.
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Um, the refinery.
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Just the refinery. Yeah.
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And then they drove, uh, by the actual Donut Hole location, and they were like, this is amazing. This is perfect. The colors, everything.
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Yeah. It's a really beautiful looking location. Uh, certainly it's very photogenic. And it has that straight out of the 1950s. Yeah.
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And they were able to film there because they had to keep it open as the business, as the donut shop in the morning, and then they used it in the afternoon and the evening.
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So kind of just to be a bit more round about with it, because we can go from scene to scene. I mean, that's fine. But what you're kind of seeing is, like, the guy's wheeling and dealing. So, yeah, we're following Mikey. He's, like, trying to get a job for the fact that he is a porn star. He was a porn star. He's not really able to acquire some of the jobs that are in the area, which is mostly service jobs.
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He has a 17 year gap in his resume, and everyone wants to know why.
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Yes.
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And eventually I feel like he's not holding back too hard. The fact that he was an adult film actor.
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The thing that you'll realize about Mikey and Mikey's character, uh, is that he wears his reputation and the things that he's done very much on his sleeve to the point where he talks about, like, the AVN Awards that he's had and stuff like that. And he's like, I won best oral. And it's like, you're there with, like, seven other guys. Yeah.
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You all share the trophy.
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Yeah. You all share the trophy. And it's like, why would it go to you specifically? Because the girls are doing all the work, all this sort of stuff. It'd be very admirable if he was like a brain surgeon, you know what I mean? And he wore, like, all this stuff on his sleeve. But the fact that mhm his profession, he's just very good at doing something that's a very natural and innate part of just a human being.
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Correct.
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And their survival instinct, it means nothing.
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I mean, he's basically just out to get his.
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Yeah.
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And fuck everybody else, to be fair.
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He's quite literally to be fair. Thing is, there comes a point near the end of the film where they figure out how long he's been there for, and it feels like he's been there for months. It's been a span of like four weeks.
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Yeah. Also, this movie is too long, which might be my only, um, gripe with this film, is that it's 2 hours and ten minutes long.
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Yes. There's a bit too much. And I guess that's why I feel that by the time you find out how long he's been there for in the span of the story.
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It'S because we've been there also for.
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Because we also feel like we've been there for a very long time.
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I didn't even look up the runtime before we went to the film because I assumed the nature of this movie would be a 90 minutes film. So I wasn't worried. And when we got out of the theater and it was dark, I went, what just happened? Everything is closed that we were going to go do after this movie. It's too long, but it didn't necessarily feel that way when we were sitting there.
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No, to be fair, it doesn't feel when it's playing out and when the film is good, it's great. Uh, in moments where you're like, I feel like I've just seen this 20 minutes before, because certainly when the film goes from just from the house to him just traveling around on his bike and things like that, it all looks really nice, and it's all kind of happening. And it's a bit oddball for the most part because he characterizes it, like, as a shithole town. This is why I fucking left. There's no reason for me to be here. But what we are experiencing is that it does kind of wander a little bit. And I feel like the detriment to kind of films like this. And certainly when you feel like you are because Sean Baker's approach to basically collecting all these people to be in his film.
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Right.
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It's nothing new. This has happened in films and films and stuff before.
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Right.
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But what I feel like and what I feel like it does is it just allows to breathe maybe a little bit too much. There's only so much social realism. I feel like I could take from the film itself until I was like, okay, let's get this moving.
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Okay. Yeah. I don't think that's how I had looked at it. I think it just got a little bit redundant at certain parts, but not necessarily with the actors and not necessarily because they're not typically actors. No, I think it was just his goal in the film was to get Strawberry to. What did she call him? A suitcase pimp. Pimp. But it was a homeless suitcase pimp. Yeah, that's what she called him. That's what Lexi called him because he is trying to gain and Garner Fame and fortune off of the back of another human being, which is Strawberry. He's trying to get Strawberry back to La so he can be her suitcase bit.
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Yeah.
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Because you get her into porn and it just gets a little bit redundant every single day at the donut shop and then trying to get her.
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That's why grooming her into that's what I mean when I talk about the realist aspects. Because like, if you want to, you want to take like a day by day basis, like the monotony of everyday life. The beautiful thing about film and Goddard made this point quite clear. And certainly with the French New wave and all that sort of thing, you don't have to see someone going from point A to point B in order to get to see all you can do is you can start from A and just cut straight to C. You don't have to bother with all this preamble. You don't need any of this stuff in the middle.
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Well, then how are we going to get all those nice bicycle shots?
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I feel like we get a lot of that already. It's not like Licorice Pizza where they just won't stop running. Yeah, I prefer Red Rocket to Licorice Pizza. Plus at least they know what the age of consent is in Red Rocket. Uh.
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Oh, my God, that's funny.
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Yeah.
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But the main thing is maybe just a little bit Bloated and it just doesn't get to the point quick enough. But that's not to say that what we are subjected to, certainly in these great little moments that are kind of spread out maybe a little bit too thinly.
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I think that Simon Rex was such a cool choice and such an interesting actor to have in this role. And I don't know, I just think it worked out so well. I don't think this would have worked without him in it.
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It seems relatively serendipitous because of the nature of what the story of Red Rocket is. It's kind of reflective of some sort of.
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Yeah, it is reflective of his career. I remember Simon Rex from being on MTV because he was a VJ, like a video jockey on MTV when I was younger. So in 1995, I was ten years old. I vividly remember all of the VJs on MTV. It was a huge deal back then. Right. I know it sounds gross. Well, interesting because he actually, uh, started his career in Hollywood by doing solo masturbation porn.
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Wow.
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Simon Rex back in 94. So he answered an ad in a newspaper, ended up going and doing solo masturbation pornography. And then he ended up getting picked up by a modeling, um, talent agent. And then he ended up doing modeling for Versace and Calvin Klein and Tommy Hilfiger.
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Okay.
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And then he auditioned and got the job the next year in 1995 as a BJ. And then from there, he had a lot of fame. I remember him being super famous, okay. Doing spring breaks and all that type of thing on MTV.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Like those Arrested Development.
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What were they called?
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Girls.
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Girls with low self esteem? Well, no, because they would have big outdoor concerts in, like, Pensacola or Daytona, whatever. Do you remember those old Polyshor videos I used to show you?
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Yeah. But you also showed me a fucking rap video with this dude in it.
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Yeah. After Holy, he stopped doing his BJ thing at MTV. He became a rapper called Dirt Nasty.
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Oh, boy. Yeah.
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And I guess it's like a comedy rap. I hope so, because we watched that video today. I don't remember what it was called. It was like the 80s. That was like the name of the song. Holy crap. Yeah. He did a lot of the scary movie films. A lot of those parody movies.
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Yeah, I noticed that.
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But it was like scary movie, like three, four, five when people stopped watching those films.
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Yeah. Well, I mean, later on you've got Charlie Sheen and Lindsay Lohan obviously in them, and they look like straight death.
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I love Lindsay Lohan.
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I mean, that's fine.
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Well, Sean Baker ended up calling Simon Rex straight out of the blue, okay. And asked him to do an audition, and he's like, I think he had, like an hour. Like less than an hour. He goes, I'll give you some of the script, read it, send me back an audition tape.
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Okay.
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And Simon Rex was like, oh, fuck it. I guess I've got nothing else going on. It was like hot, middle, pandemic 2020. No one knows what the fuck is going on. And he's like, well, I guess I don't have any other calls coming in. I'm not doing anything else. The world's going to end, hopefully. So he's like, yeah, why not just do it?
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Yeah.
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And he did. And he had three days. Sean Baker's like, this is great. This is perfect. Be in Texas in three days. And he didn't want to deal with the quarantine after flying. He just fucking drove straight from La to Texas to do the film. Uh, they had no time to rehearse. No one had any time to rehearse. And they had to jump in.
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Yeah.
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I mean, this was all the whole filming. They didn't have permits. This wasn't a Union job. They just had to just go for it. Simon Rex didn't even tell his agent that he was doing it until after.
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Wow. Okay. This is all very interesting. Yeah, I like that sort of thing, to be honest. I'm never going to be a big League. I think that's the thing I like about Sean Baker's stuff, just in general, is like, it's never huge. It's like, you give this guy a bunch of money. I don't know how interesting it would be afterwards.
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The most money that they had to spend, I think, was on in sync by.
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Yeah. They had the license out of that song.
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They had to get permission from everyone in the group to use the song in this film.
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Wow.
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And it wasn't until after they'd finished that they got permission. And then the studio, I think it was, or the production company, whoever, uh, it was decided, like, okay, this song is actually perfect for the movie and then gave them the money because it was too expensive.
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Is it as perfect for the movie as hit the road Jack at the end of the house that Jack built? If anyone's not seen that movie.
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Then I'm going to be honest. They hit the road, Jack in the house that Jack built is spot on perfection.
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Yeah. Well done, Lars.
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I don't know. You have an idea. You go out there and you make it. I think it's fabulous. And everyone kind of came on to this film knowing they weren't going to make any money.
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No. The more like. The more you kind of make it like.
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You'Re not getting paid for this. Simon just saying.
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He's like, okay, didn't pay Simon Rex.
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I think eventually they ended up making money. But right off the bat, I don't think there was any money involved or any money. I don't know. I'm sure there was some money.
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I think there has to be something, because you can't really get away with that. Certainly not in America. You can't get away with being like, we'll look after you on the back end. It'll be fine. Here's a nice new bike. Speed boat. I did want to kind of talk a little bit about just kind of how the film is and why I kind of enjoyed it so much. Because when you say things about there's no money here. Like, Simon Rex has to travel for fucking three days in his own car from La to Texas. He's pretty much living the story the minute he gets there 100%. And then there's an amazing scene right at the very beginning. You say, um, they don't have any time to rehearse.
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It's.
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Like, the minute he meets Lexi, the opening of the movie, there's a shot at mhm the side of the house where they have a conversation, and it's all in a wonder. And it's a nice big wide. And obviously he's blocked out a certain way. And they do, like, six or seven pages worth of dialogue just talking to each other in this one wide shot. And I was like, okay, I can see where this is going.
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The added benefit of that adorable pit Bull, that motherfucking dog. Five stars.
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Oh, my God.
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For that Pitbull. More pit Bulls and movies are so precious.
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The film is a bit long, but there are things I quite like it that it does repeat, which is just the shots of this adorable little red nose pit, bullet Brown and white, of like, rolling in the grass.
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Every time he walks outside the house, he looks and says Hi to the dog, which I love so much.
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Like sitting with the dog or he's looking because there's loads of shots of him sitting on the porch having a cigarette and stuff like that. And there are some of my favorite bits in the movie where you can see, like he's thinking and he's having his musings and he's kind of like the cogs are turning in his head about what he's going to do next. And then obviously, we have these other little beautiful moments where we're like, there's the dog and his bed. It's a he or she's. A she or it's just rolling in the grass, having a, uh, good time.
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Yeah. There's two penis scenes.
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Yeah.
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I'm trying to remember the first one and I think it's just he walks out of the bedroom naked.
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Um, yeah. So Lexie's mum, Lil is also a non actor as well. Pretty much. Uh, Lil's obviously going Lil. Um, I'm just going to point out Lil, because Lille's, probably other than Lil in June, June is the daughter of, uh, the woman who supplies Mikey with all the weed.
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Leandrea. Uh, yeah.
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That whole family with June Leandrea and her two sons. Like her boys and stuff like that. That whole family one of my favorite things in the whole film.
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Yes.
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Their dynamics. Very fucking good. Very funny. And June obviously doesn't give a fuck. Yeah. Because Lexis moved in with Lil and Lexi has obviously got something wrong with her. Let's say the cancer, whatever. She's in pain. She's having pain medication. Yes.
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Okay.
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The mother. And there's a beautiful moment where she gets Mikey in the kitchen and has a little word with them and basically says, is this going to be forever? Because I don't want my daughter going back on the Craigslist and meeting clients and all this sort of stuff.
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Yeah.
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Because I think this is maybe something we haven't pointed out either, is that Lexi was also in the porn business.
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Yeah. They had gone out to California together.
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They went out together, they were married, they were doing couples porn and stuff like that. But for the most part, they've been spat out of that industry. Right. They're not able to get jobs. They're kind of fucked. Pretty much.
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Yeah.
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And they're the worst for we are.
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Yeah. They're great. That mother daughter combo is really sweet. Uh, and solid.
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Yeah, absolutely. And what you kind of find out as the film progresses, like Mikey's walking into a bubble that's been very well formed over the past 17 years where everyone's got little back.
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So again, I'm just trying to figure out and remember these scenes. The first one, I think it's about 47 minutes in where he decides that he wants to have sex with Lexi again. And she agrees. Right?
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Yeah.
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It's kind of weird.
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He's a scumbag. So he kind of just weasels his way. Like he charms his way back into her life. And these are quite voracious individuals. So for the most part, if there's sex on the table, they're probably going to have a three course meal. Oh, my God. So what kind of ends up happening is like they start having sex again, and then he moves from the couch.
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Yeah. He's using it as trying to get that upward mobility from the couch to the bed.
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Pretty much.
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And using her vagina is his key. Yeah. He walks out of the bedroom, and Lil, the mother in law, is sitting on the couch, and he just walks out.
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Yeah.
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Lapse of realization. He just basically laps out. And he's got this fucking thing, like, slapping against his thigh.
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Yeah. I don't normally describe the penis, but Simon Rex, there's a lot of Weiner.
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There's a lot there. And to the point where it's so big at the end of the movie, I was not convinced it was real.
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I know I had to do research, and as far as I can tell, that's a real penis.
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There's nothing saying it's not correct. So we kind of have to take it under the assumption that it is. Yes, it is frightening. Let's put it this way. It's so big that it makes him run awkwardly.
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We don't need to maybe go into the specifics about, uh, the end and why he's running down the street naked. No, but he is running down the street.
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There's a level of desperation that happens that involves him having to run down a late night road completely in the nutty.
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And it's funny because you're right, he is running awkwardly. But that's because they were in a not so great neighborhood in the middle of the night. Uh, um, very gravely street with just really broken glass, probably. And remember, they don't have any permits. They don't have permissions. There was one night where they were filming this, and the cops came by. And obviously the cops are used to more dangerous things and crimes occurring in this area. But then they just have this little film crew out there, and they're like, what are you guys doing out here? Oh, we're filming a movie. And they go, oh, right. We knew you guys are here. Just have a good time. And Simon Rex had to jump into a Bush and put a robe on and climb into a van. He's totally naked.
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Yeah.
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And he ended up, because of the street was so gravely, he had to put duct tape on the bottom of his feet, which is why he's running so funny.
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Okay.
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It works.
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Yeah. Because the way he's running and again, it's completely played for last. This whole sequence played for last. It got a big laugh out of the five people, including us, who are in the screen. Because the way it's shot and stuff like that. Because, um, it cuts to the NSYNC track pretty much. Because there's a point. There's a point where, like, it's like on his face and he's running and then it tilts down very sharply and then we see his cock. So pretty much they're playing into the fact that he's completely naked. This is kind of sideways levels of exposure that we're seeing, uh, here. Very similar to it.
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Oh, there's just a close up plate his face.
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Like, you're going to fucking see everything. Like, this is just the way it's going to be. But I think the reason I was like, oh, it looks awkward.
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It's like power walking. Yeah.
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It's kind of like not, um, going to say like a little jog. Yeah. But like reverse Buffalo billing it from silence with the lamps where he talks it in.
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Right.
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What's your fault? He's tucking it in there.
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I have no idea what you're describing.
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Well, you know that bit inside.
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No.
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Right.
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I know that part. I'm just saying. I don't know what you mean about him backwards tucking something.
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It's like he forgot to tuck it in, but he's still doing the stance with his legs.
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Okay. That means like squeezing his butt. Yeah.
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He's like squeezing his ass. Squeezing his cheeks together. Pretty much.
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So Sean Baker and Simon Rex had to have a conversation about that scene and he's saying, well, there's the scene. You're going to have to run down the street naked. Don't worry. I'm only going to use like 7 seconds of it. But we are going to have to film it. Yeah, obviously. And Simon Rex just said, yeah, well, fuck it. It's not like I have a career that I'm, uh, going to fuck up.
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Fuck that's. Some plain faced honesty right there. Jesus Christ.
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Yeah. He said in several interviews that the phone hasn't really been ringing like it used to. And so he might as well take this job. And it was like an amazing career move for him.
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Yeah. These rules only come up once in a lifetime, to be fair.
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And he usually gives them to people to work at restaurants.
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Um, yeah.
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Unless you're willing to fee.
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Yes. William Default has a career.
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He does?
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Yeah.
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He definitely, uh, has a career. But in the Spider Man movie, did you know?
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Oh, wow. Ryan, would you recommend this movie? Yeah, I would recommend this movie. I kind of thought I would like it more than I did. And maybe it's just going to be like a slow burn in my brain and I'm going to think about it more and I'm going to like it more.
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Let's put it this way. I think the things that I end up coming out of seeing that I feel lukewarm on. I watch them again and end up loving.
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Well, we will buy this movie.
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Yeah. I really enjoyed, uh, it. I really enjoyed it. But obviously I have certain misgivings about it that I feel like I've already shared for sure.
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Uh, but, yeah, I would recommend it. I liked it. I thought it was funny. I thought it was very uncomfortable. And I like when things make me uncomfortable because then I think the filmmaker is doing a great job, you know, makes me feel stuff.
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Yeah.
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The film does a really good job of creating this world. It does a very good job of making it feel very real.
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I think that's just his whole thing. They went to Texas. They used real locations. They didn't build anything. They rented that house. That's a house that people live in. And you get the scenery. A lot of those, uh, smokestacks and stuff.
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Yeah.
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Industry, these landscapes for social, realist films. I talk about the furnace like that Scott Cooper movie, the Deer Hunter, I would say, is also another one.
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Okay.
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It's, uh, like small town living in the only industry that you can. You're either a fucking coal miner or.
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Right. Definitely. I'm interested in potentially, uh, revisiting this film later on when we get to have it on home video.
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Yeah. At least. I feel like this episode is very much a spur of the moment. Here we are. We need to talk about this movie. But I feel like it does require maybe further analysis on another watch.
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Yeah.
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And I feel like if we feel like we have more to say, I feel like we'd come out with a part two, um, for Red Rocket, because I feel like, yeah, this film is brave and brazen and it doesn't give a fuck. I really enjoy the fact that this film just kind of goes balls out in the pond. Uh, it just kind of goes for it. And on the basis of what you've described to me, like, it's budget and things like that. So I still think it's shot on film. I'm not too sure if it is right. So, I mean, there's definitely some money behind it.
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Because the full frontal makes sense. I think the way that they did it makes sense. I mean, you've got a guy.
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I will say, here's the thing. Shooting on film gives the film a beautiful texture about it. It's something that you, uh, just wouldn't be able to capture on digital as well. I feel like, interested. So it has a texture, has a look and a feel about it that I feel like shooting on film definitely lands to its benefit.
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Yeah. I mean, everything in this movie makes sense. And I like the full frontal stuff, because it would be, uh, really disappointing to have a movie like this and have his profession be such and not see his Wiener yeah. It's like that show Hung with Thomas Jane.
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I've never seen any of it.
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Never sees penis. California. He's a sex addict. Never sees penis.
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, again, it's for TV, though.
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It was on Showtime.
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Okay.
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I'll go first. Visibility and context. Um, five stars.
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Yeah, I gave it five stars as well.
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And, I mean, obviously it works for the film. It makes sense in the, um, film. It's also very funny. And I feel like it's seeing a man, um, who has, uh, nothing, who is trying to build himself, who had kind of been the King of the mountain, has fallen and is trying to build himself back up. And then at the end, he ends up back where he started. He has nothing. He's totally naked, and he's running through the streets because he's lost everything again, as he should.
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He's the King of his own self proclaimed mountain.
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Right.
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That mountain, uh, is made out of semen and poop bullshit.
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Uh, yeah, I think.
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Well, yeah, I think you're spot on. I think in order for us to appreciate and to understand that he's from the porn industry, he has to have a fucking member slap in between his legs because he has nothing else. Like there is nothing other than him or in a deck. And for the most part, whenever he's talking about, uh, it other, uh, than to his friend who drives him around to the malls and stuff like that. No one cares.
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No.
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No one gives a fuck.
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No, absolutely not.
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And they're just like, I don't want to hear it. Like, I'm not, uh, interested in what you have to say.
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They're trying to get them to stop talking.
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Put your junk away. Like, no one's interested in it whatsoever.
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I think I gave it three and a half stars, which is another reason that I'm interested in revisiting this at some point. I think the half star I was initially thinking, like, it's definitely going to be four stars. I think it was that extra 40 minutes that the movie maybe doesn't need.
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Yeah.
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There's a point where the minute the Donut hole comes on the scene and he takes them out for Donuts and we meet Strawberry and stuff like that is where I feel like it starts to get so much more drawn out than it needs to be. We're to the point where there is three scenes in the Donut Hole that are shot almost exactly the same. Wide, slowly tracks in, and those scenes are played out. And you feel like, as much as he's trying to develop the relationship between, obviously, Mikey and Strawberry trunk age just a little bit, please. It doesn't have to be that long. I would like to revisit it again to figure out if my rating is worthy or not. But it's a three and a half for me as well.
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Okay.
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It needs and some of that meat, some of that fat taken off of it. We said we weren't going to do it. But we did it.
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Yes, you're welcome.
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And I feel like we've done something. I don't know if it's fantastic, but we did it.
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Yeah, it's here.
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It's here for prosperity. It's also free posterity. Yes. I've not been able to say words all day. There are certainly parts of this podcast that I might go in and just insert the word I meant to say later on like a robot voice. Probably.
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Well, thank you so much for agreeing or more like I wanted you to do this movie than you, um, didn't want to do it and then you wanted to do it and I thought, okay, here we are. Thanks for that coming to you from the donor hall. I have been Laura Ryan and we'll see you next time. Thanks, guys.
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Goodbye.
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Bye. Uh.