Joined by our friends from Uncomfortable Brunch, we are covering Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom!
Hitting the tonnes with something "special".
Episode 101 sees us covering SALÒ, or THE 120 DAYS OF SODOM, with our friends from UNCOMFORTABLE BRUNCH: Josh and Kat. This is a film that, even describing it in any way, will make us look like freaks. We promise that next time we'll cover something funny(-ish). Buckle up buttercups!
If you've watched the film, you have an idea what to expect. If you have watched the film and decided to come here for further analysis, can I ask you one thing? Are you OK?
Laura: Well, hello there. Welcome to On the BiTTE the podcast that uncovers full frontal male nudity in cinema. My name is Laura and I am joined by my enslaved Ryan.
Ryan: Hello.
Laura: Um, and we are also joined by our special guests Kat and Josh from Uncomfortable Brunch.
Josh: Hello.
Kat: Hi.
Laura: Because you recently showed the 1975 political art horror film Salw or the 120 Days of Sodom, what do you call it? Horror. I like to pull that off of the Internet and then we can talk about it.
Josh: The Inn Interwebs called it Interweb, called.
Laura: It a political art horror. But yeah, I think so. In some ways I would definitely say it was.
Ryan: I mean, it's a horror that's pretty horrible.
Kat: It's horrific.
Ryan: M hmm.
Laura: Well, I don't know. So I LIKE to think of horror sometimes if I'm put into that situation. Am I afraid? Well, I am.
Josh: It'd be reall upsetting if you weren't.
Ryan: Yeah.
Josh: If you were in your element.
Laura: I was into it.
Kat: Mean, you know what Leo of them that were like, yeah, let's see this.
Laura: There was a couple people that were.
Josh: I mean, if you're gonna.
Kat: Might as well lean into it.
Josh: That's kind of like. If you're gonna get. Might just want to sit back and enjoy it.
Kat: Oh God, can we cut that out?
Josh: I totally got you guys to say that. I was hoping that was where that was gonna go.
Laura: O okay. This film was directed by Pier Paolo Pasolini. And for those of you haven't seen Salw the synopsis pulled from letterboxed is four corrupted fascist libertines round up nine teenage boys and nine teenage girls and subject them to 120 days of sadistic physical, mental and sexual torture. Wee.
Josh: Are you like a game show host and stay tuned. What's going on here?
Laura: Yes, it just makes it land a little bit better.
Kat: And really it like 8 boys and 8 girlsuse like one boy gets shot before.
Laura: Well, they round up.
Kat: Yeah, they run up nine, but they really end up with eight.
Laura: And then.
Kat: And then the other girl like kills herself as soon as they get.
Laura: And then there's less and then there's less endless. And well, the tagline, uh, is. Which I guess makes sense, but it doesn't have anything to do with the film is the final vision of a controversial filmmaker.
Josh: I mean, yah.
Ryan: I mean that's one way to sell it.
Kat: I mean it was part of a trilogy that he didn't get to finish. So it's really disappointing.
Ryan: Yeah, I mean they just, they should have just put in it's like he was tortured and murdered himself pretty much, wasn't he?
Kat: Yeah, I was tortured. Yeah, he was just beat to death.
Josh: Oh, I thought you meant like tortured as an artist his entire life, I think he had a pretty cush.
Ryan: Yeah, I think he was fine.
Laura: Seemed like he was having a nice time.
Ryan: Yeah.
Kat: Yeah.
Laura: Ryan, would you like to tell us about Pasolini? This is our first. Yes, Pasolini. I assume we're gonna revisit this guy.
Josh: There's a lot of them.
Ryan: There'a lot, yeah. Ah, I can't wait. So Pierre Paolo Pasolini was an Italian poet, film director, writer, actor and playwright. He was incredibly and openly gay. Like very much so. Um, and avoid Marxist. Uh, after the end of World War II, um, his murder, his abduction, torture and murder, um, caused public outcry. It's probably one of the most, uh, probably one of the most, uh, tragic, tragic chapters of the filmmaking history. Um, and yeah, he, ah, he's remained unsolved and people believe he was the victim of far right terrorism. But yes, Salw was his last film and probably his most controversial, if not continuing to be one of the most controversial films ever made. Um, his work show the hallmarks of Italian neorealism, but, uh, slightly more morally objectionable for the time. Um, but his works are obviously a little bit too late for that particular period. Um, he was a writer though, because he did write Le Doce Viita, among other things. Um, and his filmography is huge and I'm deeply regretting writing down every single one because obviously Salo is his last film. So let's, let's try.
Laura: I was like.
Kat: You was like.
Laura: You can skip to your favorites.
Ryan: I could, but if I do it once, I never have to do it again. O it's episode 101.
Laura: It's okay writing them down.
Ryan: I mean, I hope so. I'm gonna get them all wrong. So let's start off with Aatone in 1961 Ma Arroa 1962 Rogo
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Ryan: Pai 1963 Larabia 1963 Gospel According to Sa Matthew, very famous movie in 1964 Love Meetings in 65 location hunting in Palestine 1965 Hawks and Sparrows 60 the Witches 67 Oedipus Rex 67 Toima 1968 Apunti Perun film Suindia 1968 Caprice Italian style 1968 Love and Anger 1969 Pigy 69 Meda, the first in the series 1969 notes towards African Orestus 19, uh, 70 the Decameron 1971 Canterbury Tales 72, Body Tales 73, Arabian Night 74. And then we end up on Salo.
Kat: Oh, we got it. We did it.
Laura: Y.
Ryan: And that was in 1975.
Laura: It sure was. You were talking about his murder. I'm interested, you guys at your expansion of Uncomfortable Brunch, which is very exciting because now you are in Maitland at NN and then you also are now in Tampa it at the Sunray Sun Ray Cinema. Um, and Sallow was the first film that you debuted there.
Josh: That's correct.
Laura: So I wanted to ask how that was for you guys, and also I wanted to hear a little bit more because you guys talked a bit at the screening about the murder and stuff, and I had some notes as well, and I was just kind of interested, if you remember what you guys talked about.
Josh: Um, yeah, I.
Kat: It was. It was a really long weekend because we were down in Miami like the day before we showed Secretary and y.
Laura: You guys were all over the place.
Kat: Yeah. And then the next day we were out in Tampa, and so we were like, going through the notes and basically.
Josh: What I was what. In the research that I've done over the years, and there's, like Ryan said, um, there seems to be this conspiracy that it was far right terrorism that brought him down. And there are. There is evidence to suggest that that may be the case. But everything that I've read, I've come to the belief that it's probably just a situation where somebody noticed that he was, uh, fucking a dude because he was picking up a prostitute, didn't like it, and beat the shd of him and killed him. It was a random hate crime, and it sucks. And life doesn't necessarily always have a, uh, anything that makes it make sense. So I don't know. That's kind of what I've gathered. I mean, I don't think the government gave a shit one way or the other.
Laura: Right.
Josh: Getting rid of that, you know, that, um, incredibly outspoken gay communist probably, uh, they didn't care too much one way or the other that he was dead. But I strongly doubt they, uh, that the Italian, uh, government had any hand in it or any fascists had any real hand in it.
Kat: Yeah, I'm. I'm curious, like, because I was looking into the, um, details, um, just like, skimming through it and like the one guy who was tried and I think convicted of his murder, um, um, part of it was that he was driving Palini's car and Pasolini had been run over with his own car.
Laura: Right.
Kat: And so that was like, strong evidence.
Laura: Right.
Kat: U to suggest that he was connected because he was seen driving the car. And so, I mean, it. I don't think that there was probably any, like, political conspiracy, but it might have been more so just like. It'just shit happens.
Laura: I was reading about the fact, uh, that some of the reels of the film were stolen and then they had to do reshoots. And I read that his friend, the director of Sergio Cityi, was like, testifying that, like, on the afternoon that he was, like, the day he died, he was like, coaxed and almost, like, ransomed to go pick up the stolen reels of the film. And that was, like, how they coaxed him into coming out and then murdered him.
Kat: Yeah, I read about that too, and I'm not really sure because there seems like there's just, like, a disconnect between, like, a lot of different pieces of information. So, uh, I don't think we'll ever really know what actually transpired. And it''s probably, like an Occam'razor type thing. I don't think it's gonna be, like, anything crazy, but who knows?
Ryan: Yeah, I just think that overall, he was. And when they say someone is outspoken, that's probably a very good reason why there's gonna be people out there who are very angry with him. And I think it was just misfortune that he got ran over by his own car.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: Might be completely unlinked. S. He's going to pick up a, like, pick
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Ryan: up a lad, you know, in the. In the area. What's sp. And then, uh, just what happens? He didn't put his parking brake on, go to open the trunk, and he's like, oh, shit. And it fucking starts to run him over.
Laura: We think he ra himself over.
Kat: Like, Anton Yelchin.
Ryan: Yeah. Yeah.
Kat: It's like antia. No, but he was, like, beat before he was run over with his car. So he was def. Okay. It wasn't like a free accident.
Ryan: It was like, completely. Yeah, like, the order of it was, uh, that, yeah, he'd ran himself over with his own car. And he's like, you'll never believe what just happened to me. And then he gets the shit kicked out of him.
Laura: I knew someone that ran themselves over.
Kat: Did they survive?
Laura: Yeah, he was working on his car, and then it just, like, started rolling backwards on top of him. He's okay.
Ryan: That's awful.
Kat: Yeah, that was just like, what?
Laura: He told this story when I saw him. Uh, I'm like, what? Did you actually run yourself over? Because he was trying to make an Auto claim for it. I go, I don't know if that's how that works, my friend, but sure, try and call your insurance and see if they'll pay for that one.
Ryan: I mean, there's stranger things that's happened. There's at least two to three deaths a year linked to people tripping and falling into clothes horses that are covered in wet towels. And people die by getting caught up in the clothes horses and drowning on the wet towels.
Kat: What's, what's a clothes horse?
Ryan: Like, uh, like a drying rack. Oh, like, okay, yeah, for like clothes. Like a clothes rack.
Kat: O. I could have just used like context clues for that.
Ryan: Yeah, yeah.
Laura: So just.
Ryan: You just trip and fall and you're ye slowly.
Laura: Because depending on waterboarded by your own.
Ryan: Wet towels, which is kind of odd.
Kat: You could use waterboard yourself.
Laura: Yeah, because we have one that we use. But I don't think you could.
Ryan: We have a tumble. We tumble dry our towels to avoid that. But you know, like, like that.
Kat: That's why you tumble dryers, in case.
Josh: That just reminds me, there's a really good waterboarding scene in A Working Man. You gott. You gotta go see it. It's so good.
Laura: I'm not gonna let this opportunity pass by again to where we don't pre plan the next Jason Statham movie. Oh, yeah, like that is a damn shame. And we're go going toa rectify that immediately.
Ryan: Uh, man with an Occupation. The movie. Yeah.
Josh: It's five stars. It's everything I want to be keepper to be in more because I love.
Laura: Beekeeper, but I'm excited about Working's better than Beekeeper.
Kat: Well, I'm sure, I'm sure it's better than Beekeeper.
Josh: It's like if Beekeeper were also written by Sylvester Stallone. Because this is written by Sylvester Stallone. Huh?
Ryan: Oh, shit. Right, Okay.
Laura: I didn't know Sylvester Stallone wrote all of Statham's movies.
Josh: Sly and Aer wrote it together. Sorry. I'm sorry, Pasolini. This is really offensive.
Kat: Uh, oh, yeah. We should probably get back to Pasolini.
Laura: I don't know if Jason Statham character and a working man. I had a bunch of best friends, but I sure know that Salw is a story about best friends. The duke, bishop, magistrate and the president.
Josh: I'm just saying Statham could make Salw, but Pasolini could never make a working man.
Laura: Who do you think Statham would be in Sallow?
Josh: All of them. He could be everyone.
Laura: Just like, like wear mustaches and glasseseah.
Josh: Actually, I like an idea of a Muppets version and Statham could be the. For, uh, libertines and the Muppets or the rest of the characters.
Ryan: Yeah.
Kat: Oh, I like the idea of the Muppets being the libertines and then them torture little children. Oh, no, you kick.
Josh: I know. I kicked the tape.
Laura: I'm sorry.
Josh: I was there.
Ryan: We've gone 100 episodes and we're getting to the point where we just don't care about the sound quality anymoreah. It's high enough.
Laura: It's enough.
Ryan: Yes.
Laura: Well, this film is a loose adaptation of the 1785 novel that was first published in 1904, the 120 Days of Sodom by the Marquis de Sa. And I found out because we, um, Ryan and I are going on a trip to France for my birthday. Um, and I found out that the Marquis de Sa's villa castle is like 40 minutes away from a place that we're staying so we can go see, like, the fuck house.
Kat: Yeah. Which one is it? La Costa.
Laura: Yeah.
Kat: Yeah. That's where a lot of stuff happened.
Laura: Yeah, we can go to that tortured castle.
Josh: Cool.
Ryan: Fucking France, man.
Laura: I'm so excited.
Ryan: This guy was kicked out of the fucking army back in the 18th century, you know what I mean? Like, how fucked up was he when he got kicked out the fucking army during then. During a time of fucking war? So God knows what this man was up to.
Kat: Well, and also, uh, he had a direct bloodline to the king, so he just, like, kept getting away with stuff. That makes sense, like year over year. Um, after.
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Kat: He.
Ryan: Sounds familiar.
Laura: Yeah.
Kat: So like after he got out of the army, um, he. I put it in quotes when I was making my notes. I was like. He fell in love with a nobleman's daughter, but was abruptly rejected after two months of courtship. Probably because she figured out he was fucking weirdo. Uh, he was enraged and threatened to blackmailement. He threatened a blackmaile her by blaming his venereal disease on her to the next young man she courted.
Laura: What a spicy bitch.
Kat: Y. Yeah, and so that didn't work because, like, it was just like.
Ryan: I mean, certainly if spicy equates to like, I don't know, like, pedophilia and all sorts of horrible, awful animal buggery.
Josh: I mean, that's whatra spicyeah.
Ryan: That's the habanero of sex crimes. Yeah.
Josh: May go ha an ero. Cause it's still kind of sweetus.
Ryan: They're little k. Yeah. Here's some toys. Oh, no o.
Kat: But yeah, he obviously that woman didn't decide to marry him. So then his father, like, arranged a marriage for him and they were married for a lot of years and she partook in some of the stuff, some of the freak stuff, some of the freak stuff that, um, he was into. But like. Okay, so there was a specific event that I didn't get to talk about. Like during our, um, intro to the film when we were at Uncomfortable Brunch. But this is most closely related to like what he wrote about in Salw or what he wrote about in 120 Days of Sodom, which was salo late. My brain isn't working. Yes, U. So In September of 1774, he and his wife hired. And this was at the Laco Costste. Um, residence.
Laura: Can't wait.
Kat: Um, they hired seven new servants who were all around 15 years old for one of the estates, the state that you're going to visit. Um, although the details are unknown, it is possible that the orgies involve, uh, they included sexual intercourse and beatings of some kind.
Laura: Course.
Kat: Um, in January of 17. In January of 1775, the families of the young women.
Ryan: Yeah, if were recording. Let's just say if we weren't recording this episode right now, Laura would be digging into a massive b know plate full of shite. Let's just be fair.
Laura: Starving.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: In to hear the rest of the story.
Ryan: Right.
Kat: So, um, In January of 1775, the families with the young women filed charges of kidnapping and seduction and a criminal investig. Criminal investigation started. Uh, his wife arranged for three of the girls to be sent to convents until their wounds healed. One of the girls remained at the estate and then died of an illness. It doesn't say what type of illness. A few months later.
Josh: Yeah, that wasn't Marquis. That was just Neil Gaiman's house. That was a party was gaming him. Palmer.
Laura: O my.
Kat: Oh, no. There's a lot of parallels. They're like, where's the convent we're supposed to send these girls to?
Josh: They fuck new holes in them.
Kat: Like bed. Like bedbugs.
Josh: Oh, no.
Ryan: Crash.
Laura: Oh my. Oh, yeah.
Ryan: Yeah. Crash.
Kat: Anyways, that's some, uh, details about Marquis Dec Sa.
Laura: I'm excited to go to this tree house gross.
Kat: That he has. That's so weird.
Josh: I'd be into it too, but it.
Ryan: Wow. It smells like 400 years ago.
Kat: We're all gross, but we love history.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Well, last night after we decided to go ahead and record this, I put on. I was like, oh, let's watch a Marquis des sad movie. And there's one. Yeah. Yeah. Like for funsies.
Ryan: Which is weird. That's not the first time I've heard her say that either.
Laura: Well, I hadn't seen this one before, but, uh, it's from 1969. It was a Jesus Franco film called Marquis de Sa Justine. So it was like, uh. Have you seen that one?
Josh: I've watch of Francco movies lately. I actually haven't gotten I yet, but it's. I actually have the DVD sitting ready to watch it.
Laura: Yeah, it's on's on your list. Like to B or. No, it's on YouTube. It's on YouTube.
Josh: I think it's one of them that Full Moon put out. I bought a box set from them.
Laura: It looks like something that you would have been watching recently because I turned it on and it was just like. Well, it just opened with boobs.
Ryan: I'm off.
Josh: Oh, he's a big fan of that. But no, actually the thing I like about just Franco the most is the snap. Zoom in or out into pubic hair.
Laura: Yeah.
Josh: And it doesn't really have any narrative purpose at all. It's just a shoddy
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Josh: likes. And you know what? I do too.
Laura: Wa.
Kat: What year is it?
Laura: 69.
Kat: Uh, okay. Yeah, that makes sense.
Josh: Pro for 45 years, that dude made like 12 movies a year.
Kat: But like the snap Zoo, like that was. That's from that period. They. They liked that.
Laura: That's very fun.
Ryan: That's where ways Anderson got it from.
Josh: Right?
Laura: Uh, Klaus Kinski plays the Marquis de Sa. Which is so appropriate.
Josh: Yeah. He also played Jack Rper for Franco at one point. So cool.
Laura: Klaus K. I see, is, uh, incredible and just a horrible person.
Josh: Yeah. Um, the best. I love it. Everyone hated him.
Laura: When we were driving home after the screening of Salo, uh, I think there was a moment, Ryan, where you said something about it not being that erotic or like being kind of erotic. And I think I said something about like. I agreed with you that there were some parts that were kind of sexy and you were like. I was joking. And I was like, oh, well, yeah.
Ryan: No, all I wanted you to do is admit that there was a sting in your loinsah watching the movie. There was. And yeah.
Laura: And I don't feel great about that.
Ryan: Yeah, no, well, no, you shouldn't. I mean, you really shouldn't feel good about.
Laura: I'm m sorry that. But no, that we were in a safe space.
Ryan: I spent 90% of the film watching your faceuse. I'd seen the film before.
Laura: This was the first time I'd ever seen it. And I think, yeah, I'D never seen it before.
Kat: Oh, man. I have it logged in my letterbox like three times. And I think that was mostly us, uh, showing it to people.
Laura: That makes sense.
Kat: I feel bad.
Laura: I think I had waited and waited and waited, and I was waiting for the opportunity, and it just didn't seem. It seemed like something I did want to watch with other people. Right. It seemed like that would be the good time for me to do it. So then I just held off until you guys showed it for brunch. And I'm like, absolutely, this is the perfect time. And it had been built up and built up, right. That this is horrible. This is horrible. And there is a lot of times where there are films that Ryan wants to watch, right. And he's like, I don't think you're gonna like that. And I'm, um, like, go, give me a chance. And I'm a lot worse than I used to be. Like, my sensibilities have gotten, I don't know, war. Warped darker. You know, there are times where, I mean, even in recent history in my life where, you know, you're watching something on streaming and it gives you your trigger warnings and it says rape. I'm like, I'm not watching this. And now, like, some of my favorite films have that element in it. And that is disturbing to me in a way that I didn't expect. Like, salo is rapey. It's a rape, you know. But I liked it a lot and I laughed quite a bit.
Josh: Yeah.
Laura: So I don't know what.
Josh: It's a funny movie.
Laura: It is funny.
Josh: Um, it's funny that you say that. I actually feel like I've gone the other direction despite what I do for a career.
Laura: Right.
Josh: Uh, I found that I am. I'm actually more sensitive than when I was even 10 years ago.
Laura: Right.
Josh: Uh, I had some friends that wanted to watch U well, I put on a Serbian film that I just ghosted from. I was like, I don't need this. I watched it once. I didn't to watch again, but u About a year or two ago, I had some friends that wanted to watch Irreversible and like, yeah, throw it on, let's watch it.
Laura: M mhm.
Josh: H. And that rape scene started and I just went outside and had a cigarette or something's like, I don't need that. Seen it. I'm good. Uh, where? 10, 15 years ago, I wouldn't even thought twice about it just being on. I wouldn't have been like, excited to watch it or anything. It wouldn't have phaseded me one way or the other but now it kind of like e Unless it's work, I don't really need to endure that.
Ryan: Yeah, no, I feel like I've gone the same way.
Josh: Yeah.
Ryan: Whereas like I was really into like that crazy stuff when I was in my 20s.
Laura: I'm not saying I'm into. I want to make that.
Josh: I'm not saying it's just, I. It's just interesting that how that's kind of cur back a little bitah. I think a lot of it too. I don't know. I don't wanna speak for Ryan, but there was maybe an element when I was younger of like how fucked up can it be?
Ryan: Right.
Josh: Uh, it was more of an endurance test than it was actually enjoying the work. Um, I wanted to see where the limits were and I feel like I've kind of seen em so.
Laura: I'm sure you have.
Josh: That's good, that's fine.
Laura: I don't know what I was expecting. I actually did not know what this movie was about. I straight up didn't know. And so it was really fun for me. It was. I mean it's the same reason. I mean I'm surprised. I didn't know anything about this movie. I just knew it's gross, it's horrible. That's all anyone would ever say. No one ever describes the plot of Sallow to anybody else.
Ryan: Well, yeah, it doesn't really have too much. Well yeah, it's a progression over time and how fucked up it gets.
Laura: You know, I was talking a lot, I got my hair done today and I was in there for four hours and so we had a lot of conversations and I was talking about salw quite a bit. And um, it was interesting that I'm not, I don't rec. I'm not recommending
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Laura: it to people, I'm just talking about it, you know, I'm not saying you should go watch this. That's not what I'm saying. But someone was saying is there a vindication? Because I, you know. Cause there's some films where it's like if it's horrible younna see, you know, the bad guys get their due.
Kat: Like rape revenge movies.
Laura: Absolutely.
Ryan: And I go, oh no, no, no, it's pretty malicious. It's pretty cruel.
Josh: Yeah.
Laura: Oh, it's one of the meanest. It's one of the meanest films.
Josh: It actively hates the audience.
Laura: Yeeah.
Josh: Just actively, uh. Even down to just having kind of a. Not a confusing narrative but like good luck keeping track of those kids. They all kind of look the same.
Ryan: Um, I.
Josh: There's just a lot of chaos to it that it's really. Ah. The first time I watched it, I watched it alone in my living room and it was like 4pm it was like 4pm on a Tuesday.
Laura: I don't know why. That seem weird?
Josh: Yeah, it was. And I actually had a really hard time watching it. I don't think I finished itus. I couldn't follow it. Uh, I found myself getting distracted or whatever it was. But I think that I finally watched it in a cinema and it was like had, you know, no distractions and I got a lot more out of it. But, uh, you know, it's intentionally, uh, Sl. The narrative is slapped together in a way that I think is intentionally a little difficult to follow.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: I don't know if I really. I know that you guys had mentioned that and watching it, I was expecting to be kind of like thrown off and confused, but maybe I was just.
Josh: I guess what I mean by that is the. Why are the things happening that are happening? Like the stories that are being told, how do they direct? Like, it seemed. It felt a little random to me the first time I saw it.
Laura: Um, it took me after the first story because. Okay, so there's four segments of the film, right. And it's separated by kind of like inter titles. And it's inspired by the, uh, Divine Comedy. Right. So you have the Anti Inferno, which is basically like rounding up everybody. Right, right. And then the circle of Manias. So. And it's just these, uh, Borello, like these brothel madams, right. Are uh, telling sexy stories. Sexy in quotations.
Josh: Sexy.
Laura: They're telling theire. They're sex tales, right.
Ryan: Involves a lot of butts.
Kat: Well, and it's usually like. It's stories from when they were a kid. That is they were getting like molested and assaulted. But they're replaying it like it's like a sexual awakening or something.
Laura: It took me. Oh, okayh. Yeah. So then there's the circle of shit and the circle of blood. And it took me maybe the first one to realize, like, oh, these tails are pushing these men in the direction, you know, uh, when they started eating the poop, I was like, okay, the tails are getting them all horny for poop or getting them horny for blood, uh, are getting horny for getting pee in the face. You know, so who needs priming for that? I did tell every time in the cinema where the lady would be telling one of her sex tales and then one guy would get all crazy horny and grab a little boy or grab a little girl. And I'd go turn to Ryan and go, he likes it.
Kat: I think my favorite one of those was whenever he grabbesd the girl and then had her pee on his face.
Laura: That is a favorite of mine as well.
Kat: At first she's like, I can't. I need to relax. Like I can't pee.
Laura: I bet she was so relieved. I talk. I've been talking about that one specifically because she's probably thinking, oh no, it's go going toa be something horrible. I'm gonna have to do something horrible to this guy. But then she gets to pee on his face.
Josh: I feel like that would be way harder. I would never be able to do it.
Laura: Well, she's probably thinking she's gonna get raped. Sure, I'd rather pee on somebody.
Kat: I would too.
Josh: But I don't think I could physically do it.
Kat: Oh, I could definitely do it.
Josh: Wow.
Kat: I haven't done it.
Josh: There's some conviction behind that.
Laura: We are not kink shaming in here.
Kat: I've never partaken in water sports, to be clear.
Laura: Oh, me either. But yeah, it'these ladies are yeah getting these guys all riled up for their creepy tails. But man, that poop one really, really lasted the longest. I felt like the first one was kind of short. The last one was just horrific. But man, they let that poop really, it was like a big through line with a poop. Non stop poop all through. All through to the end of the movie.
Ryan: Could we say there was maybe too much poop? Well, like rides that horse maybe a little too long. Par.
Kat: I think it's just the right amount.
Laura: What was the poop made of the chocolate marl?
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Yeah, it's delicious.
Josh: Yeah. So you know who would like it? Paddington.
Laura: Paddington would love it.
Ryan: He's already a wild animal. He's probably used to eating other animalsit just in general. The marmaade is just a delicious treat.
Laura: Paddington does not eat shit.
Ryan: He fucking does eat shit. He's a beer. You think he didn't, he didn't have a little moment himself when he's maybe in the jungle and he's on his.
Josh: Own, he's like, asshole out.
Laura: So he's like, he's gotta stay clean.
Kat: I hate this Paddington slander. O my God.
Laura: I know. I don't like it.
Josh: Slander. I'm just trying to humanize.
Laura: They don't.
Ryan: He's a person like anyone else and alsoole poop. Fucking talking anthroporphic.
Josh: Be'hanging out with you fucking assholes home.
Ryan: I bet there's been a time where he's accidentally. Yeah, he's accidentally pissed on his. On his coat or something because he's just a br. Okay, a little bit of poop came out.
Laura: He is a special bear from darkest.
Ryan: And he's porky Piggin too. Hasn't he's wearing a coo. He's now wearing trousers. So I'm aware.
Laura: I'm aware of Pedington's outfit. M He's a perfect bear and a perfect gentleman. Mind your manners. That's what he would tell these boys. And sallow he'd mind your manners.
Josh: And what do you think would happen then? They would.
Laura: Yeah, yeah, he would.
Kat: He'getb.
Ryan: That creepy, weird one who had the fucking shit on his lips is pulling his hand and putting him in a room and forcing him to do horrible things to him.
Josh: Um, Patdton got fisted that night.
Ryan: Oh, I don't know if I can do this.
Josh: Oh, no.
Laura: Oh, Aunt Lucy told me always be polite.
Ryan: Oh, he's wanting me to defecate in his mouth.
Kat: Well, that's something that we didn't see def into, I think, in terms of.
Ryan: Like, the poop range of this movie. That's the one thing we didn't really see. One of my favorite bits in the movie is when he squats and you can see it, like just. Just over the side of the table. Then it cuts to that shot where he's just. He's just sitting up, pulling his pants up, and there's just a pooping on the ground.
Laura: Yeah, I leaned over to you during that part as well. And I go, oh, we peed a little. Can't poop without some pee. That's how you know it's real.
Kat: And then they give her the spoon.
Laura: To help the spoon to eat the poo.
Ryan: Oh, man'so.
Laura: I'm trying not to do it. Fuck, it's poop again.
Kat: We went a while doing it.
Laura: I was telling everybody about how during the movie and after the movie to Ryan, I kept saying, it's poop again. And I don't need to say it, but it's from Billy Madison.
Josh: Right?
Laura: And he just would smile and like, not quite acknowledge. And so I would keep doing the joke until he laughed the way I wanted him to laugh until it never happened. And then you admitted that you didn't know what the hell I was talking about.
Ryan: But you. You're not even mentioning the two hours we had playing, uh, Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon in the Car either.
Laura: Well, yeah. And we never did Adam Sandler. Maybe it would have come up sooner.
Ryan: Maybe. Well, that'something that's maybe something for others to think about. How do you get from Adam Sandler to Kevin Bacon in six movies or less?
Laura: How do you get from Adam Sandler to Pasolini? Uh, how do you get from Kevin Bacon to Pasolini? There you go.
Ryan: I mean, I don't know. We d. I'd have to figure out what movies he's been in. That's gonna be a stretch. Yeah, that's gonna be a real stretch. How do we. How do we get Pasolini to jfk?
Laura: Oh. Oh, yeah.
Ryan: Like, how does that work? Um, I'd be even fin if it's Pasolini to Hollow man or something.
Josh: That'd be great.
Ryan: Yeah, that's. That's. That's the thing. It's not about how quickly you can get there with the straighst route. It's how you get there creatively. That's what makes the game fun.
Laura: The rape in Hollow man is like the most horrible.
Josh: It's great. It's so good. It's so good. It's like he goes invisible first thing. Rape. Like'pretty muchest invisible manie.
Laura: Ah, Paul Verhon goinging.
Ryan: Wasn't it, like, the.
Laura: What would you do if you went invisible?
Josh: It's Paul berh hoveven saying, what would I do?
Laura: Yeah.
Josh: That is what Pa be hn's doing there.
Laura: He, like, I'm hiding in a closet. I go invisible.
Ryan: But it's not as bad as the entity, though, with, like, the fake boobs.
Josh: That's really good.
Ryan: It'like Barbara Hershey with the faky boobs that are being.
Josh: That was Stan Winston.
Ryan: It. Stan Winston.
Josh: Yeah, it was early Stan.
Ryan: That's fucking crazy and awesome all at once. That's a fucking fantastic.
Josh: The full body latex.
Laura: Yeah, I watch that you're looking up this thing with Molly Ringwald.
Ryan: Yeah. But there's three of us here. Well, sorry. Four of us here.
Laura: Yes.
Ryan: Sorry, Josh.
Josh: No problem.
Laura: Yes, there are. I look, I don't
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Laura: know. I think that experience at the cinema, seeing this was really quite a treat for me. I did not expect to laugh as much as I did. And there were kind of parts towards the end where I really. During the torture, you know, where there're being bad boys and girls and they had to wear the ribbons where I was like, am I gonna actually watch this? Because there was also a lot of question about prosthetics. Right. And I think when we are watching things that are, I don't know, uh, earlier than, like, pre 2000s. Right. I just expect them to be real. I expect these penises and other things. Well, I mean, obviously they're notnna, like, cut out a real human tongue right at this point or pop out a real eyeball. But with the wieners, specifically in this.
Josh: Motion picture, there's quite a few that are a little, uh, suspect.
Ryan: So before I say anything else, I think most of them are fake because they, like, they have to be big.
Laura: Not. No, not most of them.
Ryan: Most of them.
Kat: The one.
Ryan: I mean, one. One of them looks like it's made out of fucking wax. Like it's gray. It doesn't. It doesn't look particularly.
Laura: That scene was the sexy scene that I was talking about with the. It was like a guard, uh, and one of the. One of the best friends.
Ryan: Oh, yeah. The gay sex.
Josh: Yeah.
Laura: Ah, that was awesome.
Kat: Yeah, you see it like and per.
Ryan: Perfectly good with.
Laura: I think I made, um, a noise. I was, like, afraid when I saw that.
Ryan: It did look. It looked odd.
Laura: It, like. It was, like, bigger than my forearm. Yeah, it was quite in girth and length. It was horrib. It was like, to his knee. No wonder he was like, yeahorite.
Ryan: I think it's not so much that, like, it looks obscenely large. It's that it doesn't look. It doesn't look convincing. Doesn't look real. And I don't think it is real.
Laura: Gosh. I was saying no wonder he liked him. But I wouldn't, uh.
Kat: That would be painful if that's, like, into your.
Laura: In a butt.
Kat: In your butthole.
Ryan: Right up and you get.
Laura: It'never be the sameuse.
Kat: Like, the vagina will open up to accommodate.
Laura: Right? The butthole is.
Kat: But the butthole is not. It's usually an exit.
Laura: I mean, it can, uh. I think it can open up a little bit.
Kat: You can dilate it, but don't. I don't think it dilates as much as, like, a vagina, dog. Because a vagina can, like, birth a baby, right?
Laura: You't, uh. You can't do, uh, an Arnold Schwarzenegger but baby type of thing. I know they didn't.
Ryan: I know, baby.
Laura: I know they didn't. He didn't. It didn't come out his butt.
Ryan: But baby but baby but baby Let it be known that was on this day.
Laura: That was a male ceesarean. When Tenacious D used, uh, to be best friends and they had concerts, was.
Josh: A dick and burned it all to the ground for Minecraft. Or whatever the fuck.
Kat: Fucking narc.
Laura: Yeah, exactly. They would have the. A whole show on stage about the butt baby. A whole butt baby. And be covered in pooh. It was really good times back when Tenacious Stee was cool.
Kat: One of my favorite comics I've ever seen is, like, if men had babies. And I always send, like, a screenshot of it to Josh, and it's like'part where the baby births out of the tip of the penis. And. And then it gets, like, the penis gets deflated because it just, like, birthed out the baby.
Laura: It's so gross.
Josh: It's very clearly a comic from, um, Huler in the early 80s or late 70s.
Laura: Oh, really?
Josh: It is very much that kind of style. Yeah. I'm convinced that that's where it came from, maybe.
Kat: But it's one of my favorite things. And so whenever it comes up, uh, in my memories or I just think about it, I'll search it up and I'll send it to Josh.
Laura: One penis that could birth a baby would definitely be the guy fromlla. Yeah, a baby could come out of there, no problem.
Kat: Probably.
Laura: You think there were other ones? All the other ones look pretty normal. Most of them.
Josh: Look, at the end. I think there were some that seemed like they could be, uh, bequestri.
Laura: You know, the ones like, in the trousers. Like the mustache man with, like, the sweatpants.
Kat: Y. Oh, yeah. Like, the Clear that. I mean, Jo Hamm has, like, a penis like that.
Laura: Yeah, that's's. I mean, I haven't seen it.
Kat: Oh, there's pictures of the sweatpants of Jo Hamm playing baseball. And you can the.
Josh: I'm not gonna take any judgment for any shit that I watch. If you're fucking looking up Jo. Ha.
Kat: Dick pics, you can just see the outline.
Laura: I know exactly what you mean.
Josh: Yeah.
Laura: Those sweatpants.
Ryan: The most corrupting of sports or baseball pants.
Laura: Uh, sports trousers. That where you can see the wiener.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: You can see the whole outline of it.
Ryan: It's like we never would have known if Jon Hamm hadn't played baseball.
Laura: I know that there are men out there with large Venuses. I'm not saying that it's impossible.
Ryan: 101
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Ryan: episodes in we're all agreeing to the fact that men can have large membersies.
Josh: Like, they're allowed to.
Ryan: Yes.
Laura: If they want.
Josh: If they want.
Ryan: Yeah. If you work hard enough, you could have a giant member too. Yeah.
Josh: They're allowed to.
Ryan: Yes.
Laura: I mean, you know, it's my thing, diversity in wieners. That's my whole.
Ryan: That's my that's rightah.
Laura: Oh, I m it. Oh, those aren't. Those aren't sweatpants. Those are just.
Kat: They're just regular pants.
Laura: Regular pants.
Kat: See the outline?
Laura: Yeah. You can. That looks enhanced. Like, that looks like someone drew that penis on'like. Show it to everyone here. We'll go around the room.
Kat: There's tons of photos. Uh, send that picture of Johnn Hamm to me.
Laura: I'll put it on the Internet.
Ryan: Uh, you look. It looks like a fucking. Look it drawing.
Laura: It looks like someone drew it on top of his pants.
Ryan: It looks. That's not flattering at all. Like, you can see the balls and then also the head. Like, it's not flattering at all.
Laura: Yeah, maybe not to you.
Josh: I don. Think that's real. That was Photoshopped.
Ryan: Regardless. It just. I'd be like, John John boy. Like, just fucking put on some fitting underweight something like gather that monster up. Like, um, I can't sit across the room from you fucking staring at me. Uh, well, it's like. It's like, come on, dude, have a little bit of self respect.
Kat: I'm gonna. Trying to look up pictures of his penis.
Laura: Start getting, uh, ads.
Kat: I'm gonna get ads. My Instagram algorithm is gonna be messed up.
Ryan: Jo Hamm appreciation pages. Yeah. Crash zooms into a man's fucking, uh, outlined corck.
Kat: Anyway, so there were probably some real peniseses.
Laura: I feel like a lot of them were. I'm gonna just say a lot of them were real, except for at least that one guy.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: So the prosthetics guy worked on one really large wang. A tongue and an eyeball at least. And a poop. Yes, the guy worked on that.
Ryan: Bo.
Kat: Well, it wouldn't be like, prosthetic.
Laura: That wouldn't be prosthetic.
Ryan: It's a pretty easy.
Josh: Jo.
Kat: Swiss chocolate. Uh, that would be a chef.
Laura: Chef.
Kat: The chef was like, cook. Make sure it looks like cylinders.
Laura: Yeah. Just so you can cut it up real nice.
Ryan: It looked like this shit looks like fucking like wet sausage. Like, it really does. Wet, dark sausage. It slices up real good.
Laura: I'm trying to remember other parts of the movie, but that I just keep thinking about the poop. It really quite. It leaves a mark.
Josh: The poop.
Ryan: The poop is probably the thing that I feel like is the stuff that kind of like just tips it over the edge other than obviously the pedophilia, but, like, the shit does tip it over the edge. I feel like. Yeah, you know, like, we, like, we've already gotten past the, uh, fact, like. Okay, we know they'children Let'let's just continue on with this. This nightmare path.
Laura: I knew it was adults.
Ryan: Yeah, they're obviously played by adults, but we know they're like, they're adoles. They're children.
Laura: But young adult fiction.
Ryan: It's like through the course of the movie, we barely remember their names. They deh. Humanize them. It doesn't really matter. But then you kind of come in and it's like, uh, o no, now you're gonna force them to eat shit or sit in a bath of shit and, you know, kiss men with shit on their lips.
Laura: There's poop in the teeth'sing guy.
Ryan: Those, like those, those four gentlemen, those four best friends. Fan fucking tastic. I hated every single fucking one of them, but loved them all at the same time. They'so well put together, those characters.
Laura: I don't know which one was the grossest one who had, uh. The wonky eye.
Josh: Yeah, the wonky.
Laura: The President, I think, is the most upsetting he is.
Josh: I like him.
Laura: Yeah, he's actually the worst and the most. Let me try to. I'm trying to remember everything, every horrible thing they did, but he seems like the most depraved.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Showing everyone is buttole.
Josh: Yeah, the butoles.
Kat: But, uh, like early in the film when, like the. The one girl is serving food and the guy trips her and then starts raping her behind, like the table. And then the guy comes over, the guy with the wonky eye, which, like, we should probably figure out which one of them he is. I don't. And maybe it doesn't matter, but he. He just like pulls down his pants and shows his butthole and he's like, put it in me. And then the guy just moves over after he's done with the girl and.
Laura: Yeah, A, uh.
Ryan: Greedy bastard, though. Like, he's just like, oh, I want to get mine now. Thank you.
Laura: It's.
Ryan: It's his game. It's his time.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: It's his three months. He will not be. He would not be objected. Yeah, I don't know who he is, but, uh, yeah, he's the creepiest one out of the whole bunch. He does the most fucked
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Ryan: up stuff though, I think as well like some of the things he does because it's him and the guy with the facial hair who U Hold, um on. Maybe I can get these names up youing.
Kat: Yeah, I was just like the guy with the wonkey eye, the guy with the beard, the guy with the teeth and then the other one.
Laura: I'm unsure so He's.
Ryan: Yeah, he's just labeled the President. But that's Aldo Valeti. There's the magistrate, then there's the Bishop, and then there's the Duke. Now I'm trouble. I. Because it's an old. It's a new photo of the guy and he's fucking old.
Kat: Is he still alive?
Ryan: He was in Mission Impossible 3. This was Paolo Bonticelli. Yeah. The other guys haven't obviously had quite illustrious careers. Um.
Josh: But, yeah, he was in quite a bit of stuff. I think he was one of the more mainstream actors, Italian actors.
Ryan: Well, it's good to know. Salo never held him back, which is nice. Yeah. The rest of it go well.
Laura: I mean, I don't know how many people actually saw it then, because I think it was only available for a month or so before it got banned.
Kat: Yeah, it got banned pretty quickly. November and then it was whenever it was available in the US Originally. I guess it was just like the laserdisc, um, in 1993.
Laura: Because Criterion put out the laserdisc, right?
Kat: Ye.
Laura: Yeah. It premiered at the Paris film festival in November 75. And then it had a brief theatrical run in Italy and then it was banned in January.
Ryan: So, yeah, that's the way it goes. But, yeah. Um. Um. Yeah, I don't know. Right. I mean, rightfully so. Probably for the time it's 75. I think that's what's kind of more shocking to me is that he did it in 75.
Kat: I mean, during the. During the 70s, there were a lot of films that were made that were kind of like towing that line that was a little bit exploitative. So I don't know. I mean, Josh, you know more about that time period.
Josh: I mean, even if you think of something like, uh, M. Thriller, a cruel picture, uh, that, uh. You can make all kinds of arguments about its artistic merit. But also the director wanted to make some. The commercial. So he made a Rae Revention movie with hardcore inserts in it. You can't get away from the fact that it was meant to be salacious or titillating in some way, otherwise he wouldn't have done it. So it's pretty icky. But also it's a really good fucking movie. So. And there's a lot of movies that came out around that time that a lot of these filmmakers were. Uh. The only way they get anything made was through exploitation. Pasolini was actually kind of lucky. Uh, I think that his, uh, standing was, you know, his family background and just in general having a little bit of money probably Helped him.
Laura: Right.
Josh: Um, um, but he wasn't alone in making these kind of movies. It was kind of singular and it being ah u accepted as high art even amongst the, the arguments and all the, you know, u, um, u, uh, rapple rousing associated with the film.
Laura: Right.
Kat: Uh, Controversy.
Josh: Yeah. So, uh, u. But yeah, that, that's an interesting thing though that I think that you could, you can draw parallels with a lot of the other films that are made around that time that were slightly less budget and also had more of a responsibility to recoup that money. And so they probably put stuff in it that salw would arguably probably be grosser in a lot of ways. But uh, it also had something to say where some of these other films maybe dont as much, uh, even though I probably like the other ones more or at least watch them more often.
Ryan: Uh, uh, well, I think, I think I said something like this yesterday where I felt like the offense in Salo has, has a fair amount of merit as opposed to say. I think I was thinking about like Hostile or Serbian film or the Human Centipede movies. I know they're obviously great, you know, great comparisons in general, but the offense, like the shock value is just for its own sake as opposed to this where it feels like it has actual, has actual meaning behind.
Josh: I think a better comparison would be even, uh, especially for how much he loves them is to think about early John Waters films.
Ryan: Yeah.
Josh: Where the shock and those existed just to shock.
Laura: Right.
Josh: But it wasn't. There was a point to the shock to being shocking where Pasolini I think, was the flip side of that coin where he actually did have a real purpose in that. And the shitt eating where Pink, uh, flamingos had shit eating. Uh, just to uh, in and of itself, that was the art of it. The, the audience being. Oh my God. That was the actual performance art of that, not the shit eating in and of itself. That makes sense.
Laura: What was the poop made out of in that movie?
Josh: Poop?
Kat: Yeah, that was actual poop.
Josh: That was real dog shit. O yeah.
Kat: Divine actually ate dogs.
Josh: I mean, I don't know what the dog ate beforehand. Probably dog food. It was made out of dog food.
Laura: It was made dog. Was m. Made out of dog food.
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Kat: It was made out of dog food that was processed through a dog.
Laura: Yes, processed dog food. Excellent. I want to get round of uh, our ratings before we wrap this up. Is there anything that you guys want to add about anything before we get into our ratings?
Kat: No, I think we're good.
Ryan: So I think this film'just it's, um, the discourse around it, you know, I think is actually as interesting as, as the film itself. I think the film itself is something you have to experience. Us describing it to you in any way, shape or form does not replace the, uh, experience of actually viewing it.
Laura: I don't even think we talked about it.
Ryan: No, that's what I mean is it's kind of. How do we talk about it? It's like, oh, this madam's talking about opening her ass. And like, we had that conversation where you were like, you were like, do you really think she had a great ass? As much as she was going on, she was touting about her ass being like the best in Italy or whatever. And I was like, I don't know.
Laura: I mean, they did it, they did it in, in the movie. They voted on the best.
Josh: But, uh, I guess that's true.
Laura: You just got toa compare the butts and it's very subjective.
Josh: It's very subjective.
Laura: Who's not the best? But I didn't love her butt, but I, you know. Good for her. Yeah, self confidence is key.
Ryan: Other people loved her, but enough to see poop come out of it.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: So there you go.
Laura: I mean, I didn't see that, so maybe that would have tilted the scale a bit.
Josh: That's true.
Laura: If I'd seen the poop come out.
Ryan: Who the fuck wants to see that? Uh, though.
Laura: O, uh, God, I don't know if I'll like it. I've never seen it before.
Josh: I don't not want to.
Laura: I've seen it.
Kat: We watch Ra. We watched Rats. Yeah, we. We watched poop come out of a butthole in Rats, the movie.
Laura: Oh, well, I saw that. I saw that film as well.
Kat: Yeah. There's the camera.
Laura: The camera in the toilet.
Kat: Yeaheah.
Laura: That's real.
Kat: That's real. That's her butthole.
Laura: All right, I did see it.
Josh: She's an attractive person, right?
Laura: Yeah.
Kat: See you go.
Laura: Wait, did I meet that person as well? Yeah, I did meet that.
Kat: She was wearing like a nice dress.
Laura: I saw her whole butthole and a poop come out of it.
Ryan: M. You told me that you saw her butth hole and you were talking to her.
Kat: I don't remember intimate anything.
Laura: Do you think I remember the film festival last year? I'm not gonna remember it this year either.
Kat: It's too much going on.
Ryan: God, that. That's either a victim of your own mind or a damning indictment on the festival itself. I don't understand.
Laura: It is my brain.
Ryan: It's Your br.
Laura: My brain?
Ryan: It's 100% your brain. I'm sorry. Yeah. Because you do that with everything.
Laura: I don't remember anything.
Ryan: Yeah. It makes you come across as incredibly callous.
Kat: Wow.
Laura: Um.
Josh: Yeah.
Laura: You're not wrong. I'm not forgetful. I'm just an asshole. Okay. All right, so let's get our ratings and I think we're going toa switch things up past a hundred episodes. So we are gonna split up visibility in context so you can give me three ratings. We don't have to go crazy. This one's easy.
Kat: Three ratings.
Laura: Visibility.
Kat: Okay.
Laura: Context.
Kat: Uh huh.
Laura: And then the film.
Ryan: Yeah. Then we average them and then we've got, you know, we've got a real number.
Laura: I can go first if you want.
Kat: Yeah.
Laura: This was easy for.
Kat: Please give us an example.
Laura: Visibility. Okay.
Kat: Uh-huh.
Laura: How. What's the lighting like? How long is it on screen?
Ryan: Frame size?
Laura: Yah.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Five.
Josh: Yeah.
Ryan: Y. Yeah.
Kat: Mhm.
Ryan: Because is's not something that everyone will agree on though with this one in particular. This is kind of.
Laura: That's why we're gonna go about it.
Ryan: Okay.
Laura: So I think visibility is a five because your bets. Very early in the film you get that full shot of like that first young man before they even get into the chateau. Right. Pans down, he goes. Take off your pants. I mean that's just shot number one out of hundreds in this motion picture. This is why we don't do penis scenes in this episode.
Josh: Because I seem to recall I came up behind you in the theater, said I want time code for every penis.
Laura: I heard you say that to her.
Kat: I was like, oh no. Because then she was scrambling. She'like I was like, oh God.
Laura: I don't. Because I was gonna do it, but I didn't have. I didn't write down when it started. I needed like, I needed a little bit more.
Josh: Put time code for when it started. And then at the end of the movie.
Laura: Yeah. Just the full motion.
Josh: Yeah. That's.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: This movie is chockate block full of nudity for everybody involved. Uh, so I said five.
Josh: Nobody.
Laura: Um, cont. Context is a five, considering the actual plot and narrative of this motion picture. Because if you're telling me that you kidnapped a bunch of children to do an orgies and do whatever the heck you want with them for 120 days.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: And if I'm not seeing buttholes, it would be I'NOT seeing everything.
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Ryan: It'd be weird if it was tame.
Laura: M. I need some scrots. I need some buttholes. I need some boobs.
Josh: I need all the pubis.
Laura: Uh, pubis.
Ryan: Pretty much.
Laura: I need everything. Gotta see it all. And we did piles, piles, like, to the point where it just sor.
Ryan: You know, every time that happens and I hear it in the headphones, it sounds like, all timey, like lightning and thunder.
Josh: Excellent.
Ryan: When they did it in, like, radio shows.
Josh: That's fun.
Ryan: Where they just like, hit like, um, a giant saw that's used for cutting down. Fucking Red elks. Yeah, like that sort of thing.
Laura: Red elks.
Ryan: Isn't that a tree?
Kat: Red O.
Laura: Yes.
Kat: Wood.
Ryan: Sure.
Kat: I don't know.
Ryan: Nice.
Kat: All right, back to, uh, pubis.
Laura: There's so much nudity that it doesn't even matter anymore. You know, where there's always gonna be a naked person on the screen. Um, and for the film, I gave it a 5 because this was really entertaining for me when I saw it. And it. That made me think about it afterwards, which is always really fun to have something that kind of sticks with you. And seeing it in the cinema was a real treat because I don't think it would. It absolutely wouldn't have had the same effect. It would have been wild to sit in the living room and watch it at 4pm on a Tuesday. But I don't think it would have stuck with me just the same because I might have been like, oh, I need to put clothes in the dryer, so. Because that's just how I am. Would you like to go, Katie?
Kat: I think I agree with the. The penis. Um, visibility context, all of that. There were naked people throughout this film. And, uh, prosthetic or not, the penis pena were. Were fully visible in each scene that they were in. And as far as, like, overall rating, I would say between like 4.5 and 5, because I don't. I still. It's. It's still a little exploitative, but I feel like it's also really important. Um, um, as far as, uh, u film history goes. So that's what. That's what I'm gonna land on.
Laura: Excellent.
Kat: Josh.
Josh: Um, okay. Visibility, uh, in context five. Uh, we've covered it. I mean, it's a movie about dicks, so. And there's lots of them. Yeah, just piles and piles and piles. Piles. Uh, they don't smell good. I'm sure, Um, E. Nothing in this movie smells good. The movie smells bad.
Kat: It's probably a lot of SME.
Laura: Other than the poop scenes.
Josh: That's true.
Laura: Thats s of chocolate.
Josh: Yeah. Yeah.
Laura: The orangey chocolate.
Josh: Yeah. For. Yeah. The Paddington favorite.
Laura: The Padington scenes.
Josh: Paddington, Sal. Yeah. Um, and no, I give this movie 5. I love this film. Um, I saw it for the first time. I think it was 2008. Um, was the first time I finally saw it. Um. And, uh, yeah, I don't know. This is just something I revisit pretty often. This is the fourth time that I publicly screened it, which makes me pretty happy. There's no hell, uh, because I'd definitely be there after I die. But as it stands, luckily, God's fake and so is the devil, so more Pasolini for everyone. Um, but, yeah, so I don't know. I'm a big, big fan of the film. Uh, Uh, I don't watch it as often as I used to when I was younger, but. Yeah's. You know, I do like coming back to it every five or six years.
Laura: Ryan.
Ryan: Um, so I mistook the tree for a red elm. It's not a red elk. Red elk. I guessus. We saw Princess Mononoke the other day.
Laura: Sure.
Ryan: Um, yeah. I feel like a broken record. I'm basically gonna repeat everything that everybody else just said, so.
Laura: Cool.
Ryan: Ah, five. Five. And I gave it five because I do think it's important to cinematic history.
Josh: Um.
Ryan: Um. Yeah. And I'd seen it before, so, I mean, I'm. I was kind of just like. I was just interested to see how this film was being taken in 2025. Because, yeah, I. I was watching it and like, other than feeling a little bit. A little bit off when they were eating this shit. Yeah. I do feel like there's may be something wrong with me. I'm very desensitized to things now. Uh, I should have been more offended by this, but I wasn't. But there we are.
Laura: Yeah, we're all.
Ryan: We go. Yeah. But, yeah, I do. I do like. I do like salw. Like, I wouldn't put it on every. Every Friday night with a. With a beer in my hand and fucking enjoy it, but I mean, at the same time. Yeah. This is maybe the second or third time I've seen it. And, um. Um. Yeah, I do like it and I recognize its importance and I think it's. Yeah, it's, uh. Uh, great.
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Ryan: It's one of those.
Laura: W. W. Well, boy, thanks for joining us, uh, you guys. And I can't remember if you. Did you make a website for Uncomfortable Brunch?
Josh: Yeah.
Laura: Do you have one? Do you have, like, your merch and stuff on there?
Josh: Yeah, all that good stuff's on there.
Kat: Yeah. Josh made us a website, and we're also Going to start an email list because we're trying to exit social media. And by trying to, I mean we will, um, as Uncomfortable Brunch. I don't know about myself as an individual. It's really hard.
Laura: It is hard becausee you want to get. You want to be out there in.
Ryan: The public, but also don't if that's necessarily true.
Josh: Inn leave.
Kat: Yeah.
Laura: Well, no, but anyways, you know what I mean.
Josh: I do know.
Kat: Our next Uncomfortable Brunch will be in Tampa on May 3, whatever that first Saturday of May is. And we're actually showing Dancer in the Dark, uh, we're having a Lars von Tr weekend, uh, so Dancer in the Dark at Sun Ray Cinema, uh, at 11:30am on, uh, May 3rd. And then on May 4th we'll be showing Dogville, um, at Enzian. And that will be at 11am because that's a longer movie.
Josh: Yep.
Laura: Excellent. I'm excited.
Ryan: Can't wait to go. So the one at ends in probably. I don't think we're going to Tampa that weekend.
Laura: Yeah, but everyone should go because that theater is really fun.
Ryan: If you live in Tampa, you should go. And you should also go to Viper Video because oh my God, that's the best place on the planet.
Laura: That was a beautiful day. Honestly, waking up.
Ryan: I got fucking first contact for a dollar on video.
Laura: Going to Tampa, going to the new Sun Ray Cinema, watching Salah with friends and then going to Viper Video and spending way too much money and then going for a drink afterwards and then buying more movies on the Internet. N. Because we are horrible, man.
Josh: I got that Richard Kern DVDshort film collection hardcore. And I got Uncle Sam and I got Problem Child one and two.
Kat: Oh, you bought those?
Josh: Fuck yeah, I did.
Laura: Nice. Yeah. Someone love. Someone was going home with that.
Kat: Yeah, no, I love Problem Child.
Josh: Yeah, so it. It was mo. It was up. Uh, u. Yeah. Big fan of that joint.
Laura: Yeah, it's a great place. Well, yeah, thank you guys for being here. And I'm excited about more Uncomfortable Brunches. I'm excited to see more penises in the brunches and then we can have you guys back. And let's see. Coming to you from the Chateau de la Cae because they didn't say what the name of the mansion was in Salo. So we're going toa go to the Marquis de Sads creepy basement. I have been Laura.
Ryan: Um, Molly Ringwald was not in a ghost movie. They'something like, like assault either. It doesn't exist.
Josh: O.
Ryan: Except obviously in whatever I thought Of.
Josh: I thought I did what you're talking.
Ryan: About Don t know. Yeah, I thought I did as well, but I'm fucking wrong.
Kat: It's a Mandela effect. Yeah, well, I've been cat.
Josh: I'm Josh.
Laura: And uh, we will you next time. Bye.
Josh: Yeah, I mean, if you're going dry.
Kat: Oh God. Yeah, it's just. Just rubbing. Oh, yeah, that sounds really. I hearrt pee for sure.
Josh: That's where you pee out of.
Kat: Well, no, it's very close to the ureth.
Laura: Why, why was in to try to expl that.
Josh: No, Josh, this is why. Do you know that?
Kat: No, that's me all the time. He says like a joke thing and then I start trying to explain it and I'm like, oh my God, why am I explaining this? And then he gets mad at me.
Laura: Finish your explanation.
Kat: I'mkay. I, uh, get it from my mom. M sorry.
Laura: I do that sometimes too.
Ryan: Oh, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, two.
Josh: There is an Instagram account where a woman puts on her hinge profile that that 1, 2, um, where do women pee out of? And it's. She just posts all of the assinine responses that stupid guys respond trying to be slick or whatever. It's pretty funny.
Kat: My favorite is whatever.
Laura: Guys are like, you have to take.
Kat: Your tampon out to pee.
Josh: I love it.
Laura: Yes, you do. You absolutely.
Kat: Yeah, it's sa.
Josh: Speaking of which, I just found tampon shaped, uh, uh, flasks on Amazon that I almost bought.
Laura: Oh, I like it.
Josh: Yeah, they have little wrapper things too, so you can put them in your purse.
Kat: Are they like how big or there's different sizes of tampon, I guess.
Josh: How much you want the tampon?
Kat: No, no, I meant. No, I know it's a decoy, but like, like, is it like just like a super sized tampon?
Laura: I would get like an extra.
Josh: I think that it's's just super heavy flow. I think it's akin to a fewsia a couple shots and'all that it hold.
Ryan: S a tsunami down there.
Josh: Yeah, he's of Emmanuel and the uh, something
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Josh: something of o. Uh. But it has nothing to do with the novel or the book. I didn't watch themanual one yet. I've watched the 01 and they shot it 5 cast members crew of 3. The first 45 minutes is really the first act and all it is is a bunch of awkward sex. But then when it goes bonkers, it goes bonkers because the whole first act is uh, basically, uh, just threesome that takes place with this couple trying to seduce this young girl, uh, who's naive and, you know, a slut and all that, but she's still kind of naive. Uh, well, they're selling her into sex slavery, and then they deliver her to the couple that bought her, and it's fucking crazy. And they clearly made it for her ham sandwich in $10. Like, it's my. But it's icky. I love it. It's not actual porn. No penetration, but it's.
Laura: Is that what makes it porn to you?
Josh: Intent? I mean, it wouldn't. It's not hardcore pornography, let's put it that way.
Laura: Okay.
Josh: It certainly is pornography. I mean, that is intended to be jerked off, too. I didn't.
Laura: You didn't?
Josh: I mean, I'd tell you if I did. I probably just wouldn't bring it up.
Kat: Since re. You're pointing out that you didn't jerk off, then we know you didn't. But if you're ever talking about it and you're like, yeah, I watched this by myself.
Josh: Well, more it's like, uh, how. I'll tell you. Like, I've watched Antichrist eight times, watched nine, but I'm not going to tell you about that one. That kind of thing.
Laura: That one time.
Kat: Oh, um, tricky.
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