SPECIAL EXTRA EPISODE! The Power of the Dog was released on Netflix on Nov. 17, 2021. We had to talk about it. This was meant to be a shorty, but we obviously had too much to say.
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This movie has four things that I don't like and one thing that I really do like.
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What does that mean?
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There are four key things in this film that I hate. Um, that it does repeatedly.
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Other than the total film itself.
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Correct.
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Right. Okay. What are the four? Well, now, what do you want me to guess?
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Oh, could you?
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I mean, potentially.
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Sure.
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Here we go. I'll take a stab in the dark. Profound animal cruelty.
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Um.
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That'S what we were done for the year.
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No special episode, baby.
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And we've got the final episodes already done, and it's got a date to go and stuff. And now this fucking secret special episode, the fucking Bastard and films come out. We now have to cover it because it's topical.
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Yes, it is.
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Yeah. It's not good, though. Um.
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Well, hello there. Welcome to on the Bitte, the podcast that uncovers full frontal male nudity in cinema. My name is Laura, and I am joined by my cohost, Ryan.
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Hi.
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Hi, Ryan. I brought you here today to talk about the brand new 2021 Jane Campion film, mhm The Power of the Dog.
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Saying is, I don't want it to seem like I'm shitting on Jane Campion, but everything we've seen of hers recently has been absolutely dire. Uh.
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100% agree with you. I don't 100% agree.
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Right. Well, why was the thing that you did enjoy recently?
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Well, I enjoy bits. I don't think it's all trash.
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No, you have to enjoy it in its totality. You can't just be like.
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Well, no, because there can be parts that I like. I think if you put it all together and you blend it all and you meld it together.
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Nice, Jeancampion. Smoothie.
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Yeah. I didn't come out of it feeling like I want to jump off a cliff, that's fine.
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But, I mean, if you put a turd in the smoothie, the fucking smoothie still tastes like shite. You know what I mean?
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I think that's a really sad way of looking at life.
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Everything should be perfect all of the time.
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There's poop everywhere.
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Yeah. I don't know. Yes. We're back on June camping to the point where we're like, I'm doubting if the piano is any good. You know what I mean?
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I'm going to watch it again. And I have watched more Champions since we did the. What was it? Episode three in the Cut. I watched, sweetie. I don't remember what year that was, but I watched that that also has full frontal, so spoilers, Ryan, we're probably going to have to do that one at some point.
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Right.
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And what else did I watch?
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Brightstar.
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Bright Star.
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Yeah. That's not good either.
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No. And that's got really good reviews on Letterbox, and, um, I didn't like it. And that's really right up my alley. I love a period be.
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People seem to love this one. I mean, I don't know.
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This one. The power of the dog.
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Power of the dog. Yeah. Like this one. Um, I hope it's not because, I don't know, maybe I've fallen out of love with a particular kind of filmmaking, or I don't want to borrow it's just kind of like, very melodic kind of meditative kind of filmmaking, because I quite enjoy that sort of thing.
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Mhm.
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Maybe I just don't like Jane Campion films.
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Perhaps that's just the way it is.
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Well, I think and how you described a shit smoothie is how we definitely have differences in how we look at things in general, because.
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It'S not a total shit smoothie. It's got, like, strawberries and cherries, a bit of banana. It's got some mango in there for a bit of zing. But then someone's also put a bit poo in there.
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That's too much. That's like the mango, the smoothie.
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It's like you're making soup. You can put anything in a soup.
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No, you definitely cannot.
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You can.
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No, you can because it tastes weird if you put weird stuff in there. Okay, that's not the point. The point is that I think that I tend to look at things in more of, like, a general overall kind of. I don't want to pick these little pieces out and go like, this fucking ruined everything. And it was trash because of this. There's stuff that I liked and stuff and I didn't like. I didn't like the castration spoilers. I didn't like the mutilation spoilers. I didn't like someone flapping a horse around. Not a fan. But guess what? I left the film. Left my couch because it's a Netflix film. Feeling overall surprised a bit.
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Um.
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I don't know. Mildly satisfied. Because I think being with you, Ryan, and knowing how you feel about camping and then hearing from other people how they really liked it, but they don't have the relationship we have with Jane Champion. No, you know what I mean? So I definitely didn't have high hopes.
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It's also an unrequited relationship with Jane Campion. She doesn't even probably know that this even exists.
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Of course she doesn't.
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No, I mean, to be fair, she probably shouldn't even give a shit because she's definitely on a fucking higher, um, pedestal than, say, the likes of me in terms of filmmaking caliber and things like that. But at the same time, I think that if you had sent up something fucked up.
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If you had sent Benedict Cumberbatch an email saying, I'm making a film, will you take your Dick out? How do you think he would respond?
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I don't know. I think he'd also respond with, uh, will you give me an opportunity to try and rectify, uh, my terrible American accent?
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And you say, yes, I'll be like, and then he fails.
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It's not so much that he fails. It improves with every film that he does. Because obviously, when he started playing Doctor Strange, at least in the first Doctor Strange movie, it was, like, glaring. How?
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I couldn't think about anything other than his accent.
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No.
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During the whole of that first Doctor Strange movie.
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I thought it was comedy.
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Or was it like a Thor thing where it was like.
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No, it was the first Doctor Strange movie.
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No, but you know how they have the snippets at the end? Like the after credit scenes? It's like, oh, the first time we ever saw Stephen Strange. Hello, I'm Dr. Steven Strange.
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I suppose you are four.
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You must like beer. You are a man.
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One surgeon in my previous life. Yeah, it's a bit.
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He's gotten, um, better.
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I was jarring. Let's just say that least it was jarring.
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We don't need Benedict Cumberbatch to do an American Express.
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The MCU's done quite well by giving him less dialogue. We'll see what he does with the new Spider Man movie that comes out this coming week.
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I'm so excited.
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Yeah, we'll see. Um. Well, no, let's put it this way. I think Benedict Cumberbatch is a very good actor.
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Absolutely.
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I think he's very impressive in this movie for the one thing. And this is the thing that really kind of brings the film down for me. And it's not that it feels like it's a trudgery because it's very dull and you feel like you're grasping it like whatever plot points are kind of thrown your way because you're desperately wanting something to happen, or at least to kind of feel like what happens at the end of the movie feels justified because I'm not 100% sure. But Benedict's character is an incredibly unlikable, um, horrible. He's a salt of the Earth cattle rancher.
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Yeah.
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So for the most part, he is at no point ever likable in any way, shape or form.
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No, not really.
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He's not a redeeming characteristic about the man.
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And as we've gone deep into this and I haven't even introduced who's in this film or have I given a summary of what this is? And as we've mentioned before, it is on Netflix. It was a Netflix premiere very recently.
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And I'm going to talk about Jane campaigns previously. This is our first film in, like twelve years.
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Was it Bright Star before this one or was there a different one?
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Well, let's put it this way. Whatever she made last.
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Effectively, almost so dear not going to bring it up right now.
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Just, um. Kidding. You gave me the shitty pop shield, so it just fell in my face.
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Okay, just don't touch it. I did not touch it or touch anything. Well, no, she hasn't made a film in twelve years. And I'm assuming the last film she did was Bright Star has been doing TV in the past.
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That's true.
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And I'm assuming most directors are probably doing that. Are probably doing that now because of just the way the film industry has changed in such a drastic degree within the last ten or 15 years, just in terms of securing funding and things like that. So things are different now.
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Well, how about Ryan? You go and check her letter box while I go and do my overview. So we have Benedict Cumberbatch as Phil Burbank, uh, Kirsten Dunst as Rose Gordon, Jesse Plemons as George Burbank, and Cody Smith McPhee as Peter Gordon. So Cody Smith McFee plays Kirsten Dunst's son that I didn't realize until maybe halfway through the film, I thought it was her brother.
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I thought it was a brother.
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And Cumberbatch and Jesse Plummons are also. They are brothers. Not also brothers. They're brothers. The cinematographer is Wagner. My God. Arrigner Wagner.
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Yes. There you go, son's. Better.
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Okay. Thank you. Sorry. Who is also the, uh, director of photography on Zola, which is another movie we're going to have to do soon. That came out in 2012, which I remember reading the Twitter threads on that. So if you guys don't know what that is, check out, like, the Zola Twitter threads. Very funny. That movie is on Showtime right now. As of the recording of this podcast, I recommend it. Definitely recommend that movie. And we will be doing that eventually. Maybe we'll do that one soon.
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Cool.
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Because I just watched it.
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Bright Star is her last film.
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Okay. Fair.
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So she's not got a ton of stuff on there anyway.
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Okay, so the synopsis of this film from Letterbox.
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Yeah. What is the story of this film? According to Letterbox?
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I'd love to know you're going to have problems.
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I'm going to have a shit.
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Don't shit.
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I'll try my best.
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Okay. Charismatic rancher Phil Burbank inspires fear and awe in those, uh, around him. When his brother brings home a new wife and son, Phil torments them until he finds himself exposed to the possibility of love. I read that synopsis before we watched the movie. We're not going to go too deep into spoilers.
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We're going to give it's still relatively quite new.
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It is new. So we're not going to ruin this movie for you. I'm just going to give you.
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I don't know, whatever podcasts and reviewers and stuff for analysts would 100% spoil everything about it. But to be fair, because of the angle we're taking on, obviously on the podcast and all our media and things, we don't have to tell you the ending of the movie. It doesn't really matter. It's not going to.
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No, in the grand scheme of things. But I do have problems with this synopsis because I was waiting for certain things to happen based on this, that mhm weren't satisfied. So it was very weird. And the tagline, um, is weirder.
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Yeah. I hate the tagline.
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The tagline is what it means to be a man.
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Pesh.
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Doesn't make any sense.
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But, um, this was a book written, uh, by Thomas Savage, I believe, in the 60, uh, s. Yeah.
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It was adopted by Jane.
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Sure was. She loves to do that.
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Yeah. Good for her. Congratulations.
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And there was a few times within us watching, uh, the movie where I was like, oh, this is my favorite song because it sounded like shit. Some of the score was so annoying.
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Well, I'm going to see because who has done the score? What's his name? Um, he's the guitars from Radiohead.
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Johnny Greenwood.
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So he's made some relatively quite good scores.
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Absolutely.
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For other movies. The one, obviously, that I mostly remember is There Will Be Blood.
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Yeah.
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And I think the score for that is very effective. I would just say that maybe he's been misdirected.
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Are you just going to blame Jane again?
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She's the captain of the ship.
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Yeah.
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She also wrote it. She also made it in the Car, uh, as well. I don't know if anyone's aware of that. She also made a movie called in the Car, and it's terrible. There's also another, I think she adapted. Yeah, it is. If you want to watch it, if you want to laugh, you might as well watch that one. There's some funny bits in this movie as well. Unintentionally, I might add. It.
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Oh, got some shit.
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Um.
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Let'S look at it more.
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Okay. We don't need to keep doing a poo. We don't need to keep pooing on it.
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No. I was going to say I think some of the film looks nice.
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I think it's beautiful. Yeah, I really do. I think that you have the really wide landscape shots that are very beautiful. And obviously we're not shooting in Montana, which is where the film is set. We're shooting in New Zealand and New Zealand's. Fucking gorgeous.
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Yeah. It was a New Zealand funded New Zealand film Commission.
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I think it was like an international thing. So it was films in a few different places, but I'm fairly certain the landscape.
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I think almost 90% of it is shot in New Zealand.
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Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.
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But it's meant to be Montana, basically.
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And you have so many of those overhead, very wide shots where everything looks quite small. Everyone feels kind of small and isolated. And I thought that was effective.
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Yeah. I mean, there's certainly some questionable things about the dating of the movie and the fact it said 1925. And I think I was very much. I felt like it was, uh, the level of the lack of modernization I felt from even this time in history was quite glaring.
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Um, I don't know. Do they not have telephones? Uh, wait.
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Um, they were still writing letters and stuff. One of them had a car there's.
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Cars. You have electricity and. Yeah, I, um, think it made sense in the way that they are so isolated. This is a farming community.
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This is a Ranch.
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You're in the middle of nowhere to get somewhere. It takes quite a long time, so it makes sense. And you're also dealing with that westward expansion towards California, towards Pacific Ocean. It's not as settled, and it's not a settled. Now, if you drive through that area or go through even the Midwest at all, sometimes you can drive for miles and miles and miles to not see a person.
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Yeah, that's fine. Um, like, personally, I feel like with that location and how they did it, it would have been very difficult for them to make it look ugly.
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Yeah.
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This is not like Terran smallic levels of that sort of grandeur, though. I wouldn't even go that far. It doesn't even scratch the surface of, say, Badlands or Days of Heaven, that sort of idea, because they are very similarly kind of meditative artistic journeys, these kinds of people.
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Okay.
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And also, I would say this is atypical, uh, Western. So for the most part, it's relatively quite mumbly. So you kind of find that for the most part, the fact that everyone seems to be talking through, everyone's got cotton balls in the mouth. You're not really 100% sure what people are saying either.
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That did happen in the beginning of the film where I couldn't understand what Cumberbatch was saying, and I just let it go. I don't have any questions. Just, um, keep going.
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There's better examples out there on how you make a film of this type look absolutely gorgeous. And obviously the assassin.
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Though she can just make her own film. It doesn't have to be compared to every other film. Why can't it just be this film? She made her film this way.
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That's fine. I'm not going to give it props for looking amazing.
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I think it looks beautiful.
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Yeah, that's fine. Just watch. The Assassination of Jesse James is better.
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Honestly, it's a better movie.
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I thought that movie was boring.
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Wow, there you go.
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I didn't mention it to you earlier today.
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It was boring. This goddamn thing can't see.
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The thing is, I can't remember the Jesse James movie, but I remember this one because we just watched it.
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Yeah, I don't remember a lot of Power of the Dog.
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Do you remember Angry Hula Hooping, though?
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Yeah, it was pretty funny. It's such a weird thing.
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So many things that I laughed at. And I don't know if it's meant to be funny, but maybe that's okay. And I'm glad that we watched it at home and not in the theater. I don't think that this movie adds anything being in the theater, and I don't know if that's controversial.
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I think that's a damning indictment on how it looks.
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No, it's not about how it looks. It's how I want to be able to look over somebody that I'm watching the film with and go, what the fuck is happening? Why is this happening? Who are they talking about? What is this? There were so many times where we looked at each other and I said, Wait a minute. Yeah, I don't understand. And we're missing, like, the central kind of through line where neither of us knew through most of the film what the point is.
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Here'S the thing, and I'll say this about certainly some of the reviews and things I've seen is that people feel like, you can read into it so much further than I personally feel like it actually deserves, because either it's unintelligible or it's being misconstrued as feeling deeper and requires further examination.
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I feel like it's just not as deep a story as it seems to feel like maybe you're not connecting with any of the characters because you do have characters that you could potentially dive deeper into.
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You have the Cumberbatch. I'm not going to dive too deep into a story.
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But he is a man who feels character development is weak.
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Dependent on his brother.
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The only good characters in the movie, or himself and his brother. They're the only two good characters in the movie.
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Okay.
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Yeah. They're the only ones that are not as shallow as a puddle for the most part.
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Right. I understand what you're saying, but I think that's also the thing where you're not able to connect with any of the characters. You're not able to connect with Kirsten's Dunst. Kirsten Dunst character who feels that she's been probably abandoned by her husband and she's left with this kind of abusive brother in law who's treating her like shit and being really condescending all the time. And she feels like she needs to just drink alcohol in bed and go to sleep.
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I mean, I will say I couldn't see how because again, they don't show it and they show very much in the level of chapters all the way through the course of it. I couldn't understand why she was at such odds with Cumberbatch's character, uh, at all, other than the fact he taunts her sometimes.
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Right? No. I also thought that she was a little bit weak willed and that I found annoying. You come into this house and you're married to the man who at least partially owns this Ranch and you have a level of authority and she just is like, Meek and sad and everyone's crying all the time. Everyone's so upset.
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Yeah.
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But then everyone's eyes, uh, are welling up with tears.
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Everyone's crying all the time.
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All the time.
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And I mean, I can understand maybe the more. Maybe because they live in sexual politics that are going on there where the woman's not going to say anything to the men. It's also their family's cattle Ranch. So Cumberbatch probably has so much more stake in where they are then she'll ever have even being married to his brother.
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Right. And the brother is not going to help either because he's also very weak willed.
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No. And where the other part of the synopsis comes into play is with her son Peter, who is basically detailed as a young, Meek, probably homosexual, uh, young man. And that, for the most part, causes relatives amounts of rifts and tension amongst the very male, salt, the Earth oriented lifestyle that they're all inhabiting. Uh, there.
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Yeah.
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I mean, they have a problem against the brother who marries Dunst. He calls him Fatty.
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Yeah. He's really mean to him.
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He's meant to him.
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He's really shitty to everybody.
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Pierre has no chance against him. If the brother, who's slightly overweight but barely looks it is basically being, um, taunted. They call that kid all sorts of horrible stuff. Yeah, you know what I mean?
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They do.
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Yeah. And obviously not delving too far into the story and the, uh, development of Cumberbatches character, but, yeah, there's some sexual tension there.
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Well, I didn't love it. I'm just kidding. I found it intriguing, but it was funny because the son, who I still thought was the brother for most of the movie, his name is Peter.
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So I explained to at least an hour into the film who he is.
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Oh, my God, he's so old. He just looks like her brother. Are their parents dead? That's not what's happening here.
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It's either that or, I mean, like, Kranston Dunst is ageless.
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I love her. Yeah, but every time she said Peter, it was so awkward. I'm like, has she had another character in a film that she's playing against called Peter Other than Spiderman? So that every time she goes, oh, Peter, Peter, Peter Parker. I shouldn't say Peter Parker, but it's like I just kept feeling like Toby Maguire is going to pop up just waiting for him.
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Yeah, well, Tony Mauire has been busy with that other movie that he might be in.
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Oh, my God. No spoilers. No spoilers.
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Fucking.
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No, I know.
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I ran out of the theater the other day just going where the Internet tells me to go. I ran out of the theater because I didn't want to see the Spiderman trailer.
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Yeah, we will see. I mean, I'm, uh, doubting we're going to be covering that on the podcast anyway.
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If there's a Dick in Spiderman, no way home. I'm going to lose my shit. Yeah, I will scream in the theater.
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Yeah, it'll be Jay Jordan's, probably. Yeah.
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Jk Simmons. He's not on my list. As far as I know. He's never gotten naked.
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No, he does. Me, too. It's fine.
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Uh, he's perfect.
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Yes, hula hoop. Um, and Peter.
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Yes, we got hula hoop and Peter, which I loved so much. I laughed so hard. He's just so angry.
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He came out of nowhere.
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Just hula hooping like crazy. I only have a couple of points in this movie that I wanted to bring up other than angry. Yeah, I mentioned it before, but when Cumberbatch slaps the absolute shit out of that poor horse, he's got a lot of rage, uh, within him, and anything will set him off. Any little thing will absolutely ruin his day. And he's got to not only tear a new asshole for everybody, but he also has to beat the shit out of a horse.
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The man is at odds because he can't control the feelings that he seemingly has.
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Because he's a Manly man.
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Because he's a Manly man. And he can't admit that this is only 1925. He does not want to admit that potentially has feelings for men.
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Uh, yeah.
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And that's not too much of a spoiler. I mean, that's very much like the crux of this guy's character, but, yeah, at the same time.
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Our, uh, decades gay cowboy movie pretty much.
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But Brought Back Mountain is far a superior film, uh, today.
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Oh, yeah. I love that movie.
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The movie is very good.
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It's so good.
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That film is not boring. So, no, um, the horse scene.
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All I was thinking, the whole, um, time is like, how are they doing this without actually hurting the horse? I know that horse isn't that good of an actor. Like, he's scaring the horse. No, the horse. There's a lot of, like, upset animals and a lot of cut open animals and animal balls. And I fucking hated that shit.
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Yes.
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Again, there's things I liked, but overall, I still liked this film. But, man, oh, man, I had to look away. They're cutting off skin.
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They're taking the cows and stripping their hides, uh, to make, um, rope, I'm assuming.
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Rope farmers.
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Yes. Um, but then there's this other things that cannot happen later on. You're like, well, what are they doing, I'm assuming, because they, um, are relatively quite wealthy people.
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Yeah.
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So it's kind of like, okay, yeah. I don't know if there's people out there who, um, paid more attention to it, then please let me know what exactly Benedict Cumberbatch, uh, is actually doing there.
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I think, uh, that's maybe just a byproduct of cattle ranching, because you can do so many things with horse. I'm sorry.
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Yeah.
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With cows.
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Yeah. They're not doing it other than hitting the horses.
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Other than smacking the horses up.
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He takes a toll. Um, he starts slapping the horse with it.
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He hated it.
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I was like, why are you doing this? It happened. And you see the horse, like, kind of tumble over and stuff like that. Run away.
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He's so scared.
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Then you go, oh, Jane.
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God damn it, Jane.
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Yeah. It was not.
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I don't remember a lot of animal cruelty, uh, in the Cut or any of your other films. Why are you slapping fucking horses?
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No, the only cruelty in that film was the painful watch that it was cruelty to the audience. Yeah. Cruelty to everybody else out there.
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That movie was not as bad as you say.
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Yeah, whatever I'm allowed in opinion.
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Yeah. Do you remember that other part where you've got Kirsten Duns and Clements, who, by the way, are a married couple? This is a married in real life couple of human beings.
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Yeah. Not to be, like, horrible or anything, but every, uh, time I see him, he looks like that villain out of Dick Tracy. He's like brick head, because, like, I know in Spiderman and Stuff, there's a character called Hammerhead, and he's just a guy with, like, a square shaped, like, headbutts things.
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Yeah, he does.
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Yeah. As I know, he's got a massive forehead.
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He does.
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He does remind me of the guy in the Dick Tracy movie, which is actually also, uh. I think it's a better film than this one as well.
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I don't think I've seen that movie.
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That's really good. I think it's on HBO. We might actually be able to watch it.
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Okay.
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I haven't seen it in a long, long time.
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I don't think I've seen that. Or Who Framed Roger Rabbit all the Way Through.
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I cannot believe you've never seen that movie.
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The only movie I want to watch with, like, humans mixed with cartoons is Cool World.
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But I know we're going to watch something after we finished up with this.
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You may watch Roger Rabbit. I don't want to watch it right now.
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No, we got, like, The Night House. We can probably watch. I want to, uh, watch that. I want to watch something that I think is going to be good.
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Ok. Good.
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Yeah.
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We watch a lot of trash this weekend. Not this included. Hold on. Okay, so I wanted to talk about the part where Clemens and Kirsten Dunn's go and they have a little dance. It's like they just got married. They go have a little dance. And then he starts crying. Like, everyone always fucking starts crying. Everyone's eyes are just liquid. And he goes, and she's like, what's going on? Why are you so upset? He goes, It's just so nice to not, uh, be alone.
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Oh, fuck off.
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And I'm like, Dude, you've been sleeping in the same bed as your brother for the last 30 years. What are you talking about? Alone? They sleep in the same bed. They sleep in the same bed all the time. They sleep in the same room and they sleep in the same bed. They share beds. Like you have a mansion. Yeah, there's so many rooms in that place. That place is gigantic. But then they're sharing a room with twin beds. Get the fuck out of here. So codependent these two?
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No, but you know what? I think that's actually interesting into, like, their character dynamic. I actually think that's, uh, quite interesting. I didn't have any problem with that.
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Well, tell me whatsoever, why is it interesting?
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Why, uh, is it interesting?
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I think it's weird. In their private times.
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It shows to me that their family dynamic as they were growing up was not strong and they were supportive of each other.
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Okay?
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That's what it screams to me.
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Do you think that their parental units were not supportive people? Yeah.
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He takes the piss out of his brother all the time. Calls him fatty and stuff like that. Anyone who's ever had a sibling or anything like that, you're doing that growing up. That always happened. And also Benedict Cumberbatch, I would say just his character in general.
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I don't think I was that mean to my brother. No, I have two brothers, but that was in the middle, so I couldn't be mean to my older brother.
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No, but again, this is a film. So we're looking at them and what they're doing and things like that. He's also slightly jealous of his brother because his brother has gone to College and he's more learned.
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Uh, yeah, well, he's not completely responsible for the comings and goings and the business of the Ranch.
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Oh. I mean, Cumberbatch holds the shovel. He has the fucking account book. That's just the way it seems to be, right? It's like that's their dynamic. But I like to think that overall, as they were growing up, they did have to become very supportive of each other.
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Okay.
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And that's just the way it is. And they're very honest with each other. So I don't really have.
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I don't know if it's a thing. I don't think it's a reciprocal honesty because Clemens couldn't even tell Cumberbatch to take a fucking bath because it stinks like shit.
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It's more like that's kind of more like a family respect thing. I don't have a problem with any of that stuff. Any of the stuff that includes them in their scenes and what they are doing. Zero issue with them whatsoever. It's all the rest of it. That's a little bit problematic.
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So do you remember what happens at 43 minutes and 27 seconds?
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I'm assuming this is the guess, um, mud stuck in the Dick.
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Yeah.
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All right. Okay.
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So there is the penis scene and it happens at, again, 43 minutes and 27 seconds. Roundabout, where you see Cumberbatch on his own. Mhm. I'm not even saying his name. Phil. Who cares?
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Yeah.
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And he's on his own and he, uh, kind of climbs through this little wooden thicket type thing and he climbs through this little hole to get to his secret little Heidi place. And it's a pond. Kind of like a nice big. Not a Lake or anything, but like a pond Creek type of thing.
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It would make me think that, uh, because of the way it was constructed and the way it was, he's had that little Heidi hole since he was probably quite a young boy.
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Yeah.
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Because I think this is the, as I'll probably get into explain a little bit more. At least my idea of what it was to him is that he feels like he's so responsible for everything and he has to put on all these heirs of being a strong man's man, that this is the one place that he has on Earth where he can be completely vulnerable and he can be completely himself. And no one else is allowed to know where it is. No one else is allowed to see him in his vulnerability. So this is the place where he can come and fully undress. You actually see him kind of like bathing in a way, in his rancher way, I guess, where he's covering himself in mud and he's just like rubbing mud all in his butt and rubbing mud everywhere. And this is where the full frontal scene comes in. It's not amazing. Super, um, brief. And it's not even, like, a pause and check it type of situation, but it's fine. It works very well for what the scene is because it's not necessary. No, but I think it does in the moment give exactly what you need to know about his character and what he's all about in that moment. Very, very private kind of moment for him. So I don't mind. I don't need a full on.
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No, there's another talk about. Yeah, you actually see more Dick. And there's a bathing scene where, uh, a bunch of the men, they all just all get naked and they're all kind of swimming in the Creek.
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Yeah. Very Homo erotic. But I think that just like the Homo eroticism comes about. Not always when a bunch of men are bathing together, but it happens. Yeah, I would say it's fairly common, but all these ranchers are out. They're topless, they're naked.
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They're so Manly. They see another Dick. They're just like, Yo, we're good.
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Yeah, we all got Dicks, right?
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You're going to touch my Dick?
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Um, put my Dick in your hand, my balls.
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That other penis scene is like an hour and eleven and 10 seconds. But there's definitely more nudity towards the end of this movie that's kind of in the middle. Anyway, it doesn't matter, but, yeah, I don't know if you have anything, um, else to add about.
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Like, at least the Cumberbatch Dick scene is probably the more if it wasn't for the fact that he was rubbing himself with the mud in such a way that he pulled his Dick to the point where it ended up touching his stomach, you probably never would have seen it.
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Uh, no, because the camera pans up at the point where he turns around.
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It, uh, tilts up.
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Um. Oh, my apologies.
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Yeah. Because it's framed in such a way that it's more than a mid shot, as opposed to anything wider. So we don't see it. It's incidental. It's incredibly incidental.
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Yeah, definitely.
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Then he jumps in the water. We don't see anything there. He rinses off all of the mud and stuff like that. And effectively, the scene is over.
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Yeah, it takes a little swim.
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Yeah, it takes a little swim.
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Takes a little swim. It's brief, but it's effective. I, um, thought it was funny because I talked to a few people who had seen this movie before. I got a chance to watch it because I wanted to do it with you, Ryan, so we could do a little episode and no one remembers the penis.
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No, because it's not particularly.
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It's not highlighted in any way, which I think shows. I don't know what it shows necessarily, but I think it works for what the scene is. And I don't think that anyone needs. I don't think a Dick necessarily needs to be highlighted at all. Anyway. It should just flow with the film, and it should just work with the film.
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Something is like, I kind of wanted a little bit of explanation as to. I was like, why is he rubbing mud on himself and then jumping in the, uh, Creek? I didn't fully understand why that was happening, but for the most part, if that's one of my questions, there's so many other questions that I want it answered.
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I mean, that's a therapeutic thing. You've seen House of Gucci.
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We did see House of Gucci. Yeah.
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I honestly wasn't weirded out about the mud. I thought it was fine.
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Yes, these films are. Yes. I mean, House of Gucci is probably slightly more entertaining than this one, but they're rated exactly the same.
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Oh, in your book.
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Yeah.
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House Eugene is rated higher for me than this one.
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Yeah, I gave it middle of the road. They're both a bit middle of the road.
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Okay, whatever. So moving, uh, on. I do have little bits of trivia and stuff that I didn't get to say before, so I could maybe drop those on you now.
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Drop it.
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Okay. Two other people that were originally cast in this film in the roles of George Burbank, the brother, um, and Kirsten dense character as Rose. And so originally, Rose was meant to be played by Elizabeth Moss.
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Okay.
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I feel like that works, too. I feel like I remember when this movie was announced, I was like, oh, yeah, Elizabeth Moss.
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Yes.
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And watching it, you go, even though Kirsten Dunst, I thought, I love Kirsten Dunst, whatever. But I thought Elizabeth Moss would have been really good, too.
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Yeah. I think Elizabeth Moss.
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They share these characteristics, the two of them.
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Yeah. I think the issue I have just overall in general is just her character is not developed significantly enough. A lot of it is left up to interpretation, and I'm just, like, show me more key, important things that make me understand and realize why she gets to the destination that she gets to.
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True.
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Because it's just not flat.
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Definitely doesn't feel as though she should be going as far as she was going. Just based on a little bit of mockery, by the way.
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They don't look like they have hard lives.
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No, they do.
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Not at all.
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It looks blissful compared to what she was doing before.
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Actually, what she was doing before wasn't honestly that bad either.
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No, she effectively ran like, a small B and D. Yeah, that seems great. At the same time, I'm like. I'm like, okay, I can understand this is hard labor. And, um, it's maybe a bit of a hard fucking life.
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But not for her.
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Look at what you're surrounded by.
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She had housemates. They have cooks, multiple staff. She didn't have to do anything. Maybe she was bored. Maybe she was bored.
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Maybe she was bored. Wow.
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Whatever said bored and lonely. That's enough to make you want to drink some bourbon. By yourself in bed.
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Give me a fucking break.
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Okay. So, uh, in the role of George, was Paul Dano.
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All right? Yeah. Then it gets a little bit too close to fucking like There will be Blood.
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Yeah.
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I think Paul Dano would have been a different flavor for sure.
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He had to drop out due to. Because he's doing the Batman. Um, so he had to drop out to the schedule because he's the Batman.
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Yeah. He's the Red Alert in that movie.
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And Elizabeth Moss dropped out because of conflicts with Handmaid's Tale. Uh.
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Thing is, the casting isn't the issue. I feel like just the writing is more my issue. It focuses on the wrong things for me, for you.
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Okay.
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Yeah. It just needed to be instead of cutting things off and progressing the timeline a little bit too quicker than it needed to be, it needed to put us right in the framework as to why these people get to these points. Philosoph is probably the most developed from beginning to end. He's incredibly unlikable and completely unrelatable from start to finish. Yeah, Peter. At one point, we thought Peter died because we didn't even know he went after he did the on for, like 30 minutes. We thought he'd Hola hood so much, he went to the sky and he never came back.
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Yeah.
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And then he just kind of appears. And for me, I'm like, like, I'm. Look, I shouldn't have to work this hard to try and piece these things together. We're working in a visual medium. Like, I can understand that Kristen Dunst has married the brother, right? Yes. Um, he's moved them in. But then you don't see Peter again until, like, fucking 25.
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I think it's because he was in school or something, but they never. I don't think they explained that until way later. I'm like, okay, he's a middle school now. He's a fucking freak.
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Yeah. And that's what I mean is they focus on wrong things in the timeline. They try and extend things out maybe a little bit too much or Quicken things up a little bit too much. And then you're kind of just left a little bit lost trying to figure out why is this person now back? It's kind of like when they cut up. This is controversial, but when they made the shortened version, uh, of.
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Kingdom of Heaven.
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Kingdom of Heaven. Right.
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Yeah.
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They did the shorter version of that where, like, characters would be seen in one scene and then next thing you know is they're gone. They never come back.
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Okay.
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And then you're at your funeral and you're like, Right. Okay. I don't fully understand this. Right.
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Yeah.
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I feel like either this script is maybe over long and they've butchered it in the edit or it just wasn't.
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Uh, there to begin with and it's still long. I didn't feel like I was sitting there for too long. Honestly, when we first paused it for that first Dixie, and it was at 46 minutes. I didn't feel like I'd been sitting there for almost an hour. So that's a credit, at least in my opinion, to the film.
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It was not ideal.
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Okay.
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Since this is a fairly new film, I only have one accolade, and it was from the Venice International Film Festival, and Campion was awarded the Silver Lion for best direction.
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All right.
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Yeah, that's the only accolade I have. But, yeah, I'm going to wind this down and ask you if you would recommend this film.
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If, uh, you have Netflix, then you have no excuse not to watch it if you want to.
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Okay.
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I don't know if I could recommend it, though. It kind of depends on what you want, because I don't want to feel like a simpleton or a fucking philistine or whatever. I feel like I've watched a bunch of stuff. I'd get more enjoyment watching Andrei Tarkovsky movie that's double the length of this one. And those films are incredibly slow.
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All right.
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Film boy.
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The slowest of burners. Right. Well, I'm trying to make some level of comparison. I don't want to make myself feel like I've grown tired of this sort of thing, like this more examinary style of filmmaking.
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Okay.
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I just feel like the story is just not there. It's not interesting for me when I feel like I'm grasping at it, and I want it to tell me a bit more than what it's saying. I don't want to have times where I'm, like, zoning out, looking at my phone, then going back to the phone. I'm like, all right, okay. I was like, what's happening here? I shouldn't feel lost in it. What it should do is it should be losing me in the wonder of what it's created.
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It's very romantic.
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It's not doing that.
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I wasn't necessarily swept away, but I also wasn't, uh, bored. I might have looked at my phone, like, once, but it wasn't a lot. I felt pretty engaged, uh, during the whole thing. And also I was pretty excited because at the end of the film, we got a titular, uh, line, which is my favorite thing, other than full frontal male nudity is a titular line.
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Yeah.
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God, I love it. And it was perfect.
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Yeah. It's another thing as well, where it's like, it's a line and a book, isn't it?
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The Bible?
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Yeah, pretty much. It requires you to then do some additional reading yourself in order to kind of fully understand what exactly.
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No, I had no idea what it was talking about. There's one thing we didn't talk about, which I'm not going to talk about, but I am going to say Franco Henry, which if you were to do a drinking game to this film, you would drink every time someone says Bronco Henry.
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Yes. And let's say this way, like, if you're going to decide to do a drinking game to this movie, uh, in particular, make sure that drink is fucking ethanol.
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Wow. It's just getting worse. The more that you hate it, the more I like it.
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Yeah, but that's usually our dynamic, though.
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No. Fair enough.
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No, but we both shared the interest in that. We've seen it once. We're never going to watch it again.
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You're right. I don't want to watch it again. So that would bring me to recommend this movie. And I'm not doing a glowing review or anything. I'm just saying that I think that it's not too long.
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You're just saying it's be contrarian.
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No, I told you after we watched it, but I enjoyed it. We could get to the ratings. But I gave it, um, three stars for the film. Yeah.
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Um, I gave it two and a half. I think it's straight down the middle, which is fine.
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And I think I gave it three just because there were things that surprised me about it that I wasn't expecting. And I also have so much of, uh, Champions in the cut in my head that I hated how it looked. That this one comparatively, which we should not compare the two, but we will. It looks so much prettier. It's a lot easier to digest than in the cut.
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Yeah, well, most of in the cuts out of focus.
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Yeah. But I don't know. I still think it's pretty. I liked the characters.
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Uh, she also made The Piano and The Piano.
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As far as I remember. And, I mean, we're going to have to.
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We're going to do it eventually. And I'm looking forward to rewatching that film.
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Yeah, that film. I remember being very pretty.
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I'm excited to revisit all of the things you're saying about The Piano when we actually record The Piano. Yeah.
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I'm actually quite scared now. Like, it's actually worrisome.
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And for the actual scene, for visibility and context, in terms of the male nudity, if you're doing just the Cumberbatch scene, it's a half star. Like, it's a .5 in terms of the later one, it's maybe a one star. Mhm probably later in the film.
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Yeah. They're incredibly incidental. It's almost as if they're accidental.
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Yeah. I'm not mad about it. It's just. No, I guess if you're going to do it with context, the context is like five stars. Uh, and the visibility is like a half star.
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Yeah. I'm not a lot going to give the context that high regard. I'm still trying to figure out why he covered himself in mud. I, um, really don't know. Have you ever slurried around in mud and shit? Like going on trails and things like, you start that shit up, it smells like straight up shite, Ryan.
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I live in mud. That is my life.
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It smells like shite, right?
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Yeah. The dirt sucks.
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Yeah.
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As an archeologist covening himself in dirt. I live in the dirt getting muddy, people.
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What do we call us? Dirt goblins. Dirt Gremlins.
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Dirt Gremlins.
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That's what we are.
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Mud Moblins. Yeah. Muddahs muddombers mud grubbers mud robbers. That's what you are. No, someone's like you're stealing the mud calling the mud police.
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Okay is there anything else that we missed um, or are we good to wrap this up? I want to go have a snack.
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Yeah I want to go watch a good movie.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Well thanks guys for being here for our special episode of the power of the dog. Uh, we'll be back with Morgan camping in the future. Hopefully not right away. There's other special episodes I think we're going to do soon because there's a lot of stuff coming up in, um, this Oscar season. Nightmare alley I heard has some full frontal so we're going to have to deal with that when that comes out. But if you guys see anything that we haven't done or you want us to cover, send us a message. Um on Instagram we're probably more on that than anything but it's at OnTheBeat B-I-T-T-E. Yeah. Thanks so much for being here and we're coming to you from Bronco Henry's secret porno stash under the tree in the forest.
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Wow. Spoiler alert.
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I've been Laura.
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Unfortunately I'm still Ryan thank goodness for you.
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Yeah, we'll see uh, you next time.
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Goodbye.
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Bye bye.
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Give me a towel. I need to slap a horse.
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Oh God. Leave them alone poor thing.