Dipping back to Oscars past with THE WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD.
"Oh my God! You're the absolute worst for that!"
Yeah. Have you ever heard that before? Maybe a bit too much? Well, this film will test your moral compass (somewhat) into whether you think any of these people deserve that title. We don't believe so, by today's messy standards, when there is some true evil out there in the world presently but Joachim Trier's highly successful THE WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD that trail-blazed to the Oscars is upon us, and in your lug-holes.
So, sit back, feel therapeutic, and accept the inevitable. We're going deep, man.
Unpacking Full Frontal: The Worst Person in the World
Laura: Well, hello there. Velkomst to On the BiTTE.
Ryan: Don't. No, no.
Laura: The podcast that uncovers full frontal male nudity in cinema. My name is Laura and I am joined by my co-host Ryan. Don't make fun of me. I'm TRYING to be international.
Ryan: I think youre re doing a fantastic job of just making fun of yourself.
Laura: That is the thing I am best at.
Ryan: That is 100% exactly what is going on here.
Laura: I like to make fun of myself, but the thing I won't make fun of is the 2021 Norwegian romantic comedy drama The Worst Person in the World.
Ryan: Which is kind of funny because judging by like, today's like, current events, she wouldn't really be considered the worst.
Laura: I don't believe she is the worst. I don't even think she's bad.
Ryan: I also think it's, it's probably maybe not referring to her because there's the guy who she meets in the story who refers to himself as the worst person. But I feel like it's a throwaway thing. It's kind of like you do something, you know, you do something stupid or you forget something youe re like, oh my God, Im'm the worst.
Laura: Yeah. I do believe that is just a phrase that is pretty common in Norway and anywhere, you know, where you'just thinking Im'just the worst.
Ryan: It its as common as the phrase worse than Hitler.
Laura: Maybe its'little m bit more common than that.
Ryan: Probably m only time will tell.
Laura: Um, I am horrified to say the names of the actors in this film, but it was directed by Jooachim Trier, which you will talk about in just a moment.
Ryan: Is it Joachim or Waim?
Laura: I looked it up.
Ryan: Cool.
Laura: Soimim, uh, Renata Ranieve, Anders Danielson Lee and Herbert Nordrum are the stars of the film. And the synopsis that I pulled from Litterboxed is the chronicles of four years in the life of Julie, a young woman who navigates the troubled waters of her love life and struggles to find her career path, leading her to take a realistic look at who she really is.
Ryan: Yes, yes, yes. That's, uh, excellent. That's kind of the basis of the movie.
Laura: That is a proper one sentence synopsis of the worst person in the world.
Ryan: I think that's what it is. I, I'm, um, just flabbergasted that they were able to just sum up in one single sentence as opposed to the tomes that we usually fucking spell out on this podcast.
Laura: It seems weird that it's only four years. It seems much longer.
Ryan: But what do you mean when it. Since it came out? Uh, yeah. 20, 21.
Laura: Well, no, also, it chronicles four years of Julie's life.
Ryan: Oh, okay. Yeah, that seems a little bit odd.
Laura: Her haircuts seem more extreme maybe than four years would tell.
Ryan: But you know what like. Yeah, well, you know what like women's haircuts are like, al. Right. Yeah. Because it goes from kind of like. Well, no, because uh, it's like shoulder length, then it gets long, then it goes back to being kind of short.
Laura: Well, it, it's kind of blonde or pink in the beginning. And then she uh, gets a fringe sp.
Ryan: Because she's young, she's a student, she's figuring out the world. You know, she's. Yeah, that's what you do when you're 19. You dye, uh, your hair and you.
Laura: You know, I do want to talk.
Ryan: About her like taking foes, her school.
Laura: Her career path and everything. But why don't you tell me about the director first and then we'll dig into some information and some things.
Ryan: Okay. So Joachim Trier, he's a Danish born Norwegian filmmaker, I was about to put, I was about to say, because it, that's what it looked like, was a Danish born Norwegian Finlander, which would have been interesting. The absolute Scandinavian. Um, so a, a in a nutshell, his films have been described as melancholy meditations concerned with existential questions of love, ambition, memory and identity. Um, I would agree. Yeah. Uh, it'it's. Kind of in a nutshell. Yes, that makes sense. Um, but yeah, ah, not a ton of information on the guy here. We have his films. Um, and we also know that the Worst Person in the World is the final part of a trilogy as well. I think you're a
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Ryan: little bit more, uh, little bit more versed in some of his other films because this is the only one of his I've seen.
Laura: The Oslo trilogy.
Ryan: Yes. Um, but yes. Uh, starting off in 2000, we have Pieta. Uh, uh, 2001, we have still Proctor, 2002.
Laura: Those are his shorts, right? The first three are his shorts.
Ryan: That's fine. That's okay.
Laura: I also did research.
Ryan: Uh, yes, I'm glad you did. Um, reprise in 2006. Oslo, August 31, 2011, louder than bombs, 2015, Thelma, 2017, the other munch, which I like. Uh, 2018, uh, the worst person in the world from 2021 and sentimental value, which was announced as well. But I'm not surprised that he's got a follow up coming after the Worst Person in the World. This film was, uh, relatively quite well received. And yes, it is the third part of the Oslo trilogy. Um. Yes, yes, yes, it is.
Laura: It absolutely is.
Ryan: Yep.
Laura: I watched the other two films, Reprise and Oslo August 31st.
Ryan: What did you think?
Laura: I really, really enjoyed them. Reprise reminded me a little bit of it just had kind of trainpotting homages a bit where it's kind of fast paced and we're introducing each of these boys.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: And we're gonna tell the story of these friends.
Ryan: This is the fucking 90s. Yeah.
Laura: We, Oslo and Weir fucking doing it.
Ryan: Punk music fucking doing it best. Smash your fucking heads.
Laura: It's not a fun movie, so to speak, but it is very engaging. I find his films very engaging to where you don't pick up your phone and I think that's very good.
Ryan: Yeah, I appreciate that. It does do a good job of keeping you hook ten. Um, because this is. This was kind of. Yeah, weirdly this. I enjoyed this film more the second time around than I did the first time. Um, but no, it was like, at least by its like third act. Its third act'incredibly strong. So like I was. Oh, yeah, yeah, you're. You're kind of hooked in. Hooked in at that point. Um.
Laura: Oslo, August 31st. They both star Anders Danielson Lee, who is also in Worst Person in the World. Obviously he is the star. He carries all of these films. I know Renataa is the star of Worst Person in the World, but of the other two in the Oslo trilogy, he is. He's the main boy.
Ryan: Yeah. Because in this film he's the second love interest. Correct?
Laura: First.
Ryan: Oh, he's the first. He's the cartoonist.
Laura: Yes.
Ryan: The Robert Crumb. Fritz the cat. Like rip off. Obviously Robert Crumbm doesn't exist in this universe because there's no fucking way, litigation wise, they'd be able to continue having a, ah, having a cat, like, like a naughty cat. Like underground comic like Fritz still like kicking around. There's no fucking way.
Laura: Yeah. That was drawn by a Swedish comic book artist named Hans Allen Christensen.
Ryan: Yes. And not to say that like, you know, it's not welcome. It's definitely, it's definitely amusing in the film. And that's immediately what I jump to is obviously the, you know, the real life equivalent.
Laura: It's okay, I'm notnna get into this yet, but our director, uh. Did you know he was a skateboarder? Did you go. Did you go that deep?
Ryan: No. I mean that's not really something I bring up on a film podcast. Is that he likes to skate?
Laura: Well, he filmed his skateboarding videos. That's kind of how he started getting into film, uh, and directing.
Ryan: Oh, the actor. He filmed the actors or the actor filmed who'skating? Videos. Okay, who filmed whose videos?
Laura: Joa Kim Trier, the director of this film.
Ryan: Right.
Laura: Also was a skateboarderay and he filmed skateboarding videos.
Ryan: Okay, I see, I see. I got you.
Laura: Thank you.
Ryan: No, that's fine. That's all right. So he'just he's the Scandinavian Spite Jones is basically what you're telling me. Okay, that's fine. No worries.
Laura: Yes, there you go.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: And I wanted to bring up, which I found incredibly interesting, is that Andersw Danielson Lee, who is Axel in the film, the comic book artist, he's also a medical doctor in his life.
Ryan: Well, that's good. It's good to have something to fall back on.
Laura: A renowned and awarded actor.
Ryan: Right.
Laura: Who also, when he's not acting, has his own practice or works in a medical practice.
Ryan: He's a fucking renaissance man.
Laura: He says he would not.
Ryan: He's like.
Laura: He
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Laura: would not recommend that to anybody. It's very difficult.
Ryan: Well, being a doctor and an actor at the same time, I mean, to be perfectly fair, he should probably just pick the one profession. I know it's fashionable nowadays just because we're all so poor to have several different careers all running in conjunction with each other. But, uh, he seems to be doing okay if he's a doctor and certainly if he lives in. If he lives in Scandinavia, like, like Denmark or Norway or whatever. Like the quality of life over there is far superiorior to anywhere else in the world. So, you know, he probably could do with just having the one career. I think he's a little greedy.
Laura: He's doing really well.
Ryan: He's a little greedy. I think he's just. He wants too much. He wants too many bites of that big pie and he needs the rein in a little bit.
Laura: His filmography is quite extensive and most of the films he's in that, that I've seen myself, are quite good. So he's doing, he's doing well. Uh, he is almost like our main character Julie, who is trying to figure out her career as she's going to school in the beginning of this film to be a doctor, a psychologist, a photographer. Yeah, you know, we have lots of interest in this life.
Ryan: Yeah, I.
Laura: You might as well spread your wings.
Ryan: I think a lot of it came down to the fact that I think she was pressured into doing that by her family. It's like, it's a sign of success is to become a doctor. Or a surgeon or a psychiatrist or to work in the medical field or whatever. Um, that's kind of what I got from that. But then I think it's. Maybe it's a little bit easier to be creative in, uh. Uh, you know, nor way.
Laura: Well, she had said in the film that she had an interest in humans, in the human body. And then she realized that maybe she had more of an interest in the human mind. And then maybe she had more of an interest in people, how they look and creativity and arts. So that was her journey. Yeah, I know there were some critics that were saying that they just didn't appreciate how this woman was portrayed. As if women can't make up their minds and they're flighty, which I disagree. When you're going to school, and if you just go to school, you should be able to figure out what you like and what you don't like. I stopped going to school when I was. How old was I? Maybe 20, because I realized I didn't know what I wanted to do. But if I had stayed in school, I would have been like Van Wilder.
Ryan: Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean. Yeah, I think it's a slight. I think it's a slightly shallow. Shallow argument. Because then at that point you're kind of like, well, does this act. Does this, uh, person understand, you know, women? And then it becomes a whole issue against women who are common. You maybe not able to make up their minds. It feels like it's kind of an insertion.
Laura: Um, well, you can't say. Because two men wrote the film and you have a lead character as a woman, you can't say automatically that they don't understand, you know?
Ryan: Yeah, no's.
Laura: Like, would a woman get a pass for writing a woman character? Does a man get a pass for writing a man character? Men can only write men.
Ryan: I don't know. This is 2025, Laura. Like, we've seen. We've seen far stranger things than just understanding that this character just isn't able to make up their mind. Really.
Laura: Well, Renata had an opportunity to look over the script and have her input, because there were men writing it, and they wanted to get her opinion on the character. And she just thought it. It worked.
Ryan: Yeah, no, I think. I think it definitely works. Um, yeah, just there is. You know, I think. I think the film. The film itself is. Is. Is good. Like it's better than. Like it's better than fine. But, you know, it is, like, to be fair, like, it is what it is. It has some nice flourishes in it. And stuff. I wouldn't criticize it for the main characteruse, like, if the main character was. Was. Let's just say, like, she was terrible. And the film kind of falls flat on its face, really. I think it's the fact that she's so interesting is the reason why you continue to keep watching. Um, u. Because you are kind of. There is an expectation that you're like, okay, the film is titled as such, who's the worst person that we're going to be focusing on? And we kind of immediately assume that it's her.
Laura: Right.
Ryan: But there's an endearment there. So you're kind of just like, well, you know me. Is she. Are we gonna find out? It's like, oh, she doesn't seem that bad. Um, you know, so there s. There's a lot. There's a lot in the writing that I think continues to make it interesting. So, you know, I think regardless of whatever they've wrote and they've brought her in as, you know, for her involvement and her opinion
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Ryan: on the. On the role itself. Yeah, I do think those. I do think those criticisms are a little unfounded.
Laura: I do think that anyone can probably think of times in their life where they felt like the worst person in the world or thought that someone that you were interacting with maybe felt that about, you know, when you're going through. And you're in relationships that don't work out and it doesn't necessarily mean that you're, you know, a dirt bag.
Ryan: No, but then I don't, like, she's.
Laura: Certainly not be bopping around to a bunch of different dudes in this film.
Ryan: No, she's living her life. Um. Um. But my whole thing is kind of like, it'like. Does it really make you, like. Because. Because you have to think about it, like, from the criticism standpoint. Is, um. Um, is she. Is she the worst person because of xyz that happens in the film. And I think it really comes down to kind of how you see yourself as a person. If. Whether or not that would be justified as an argument because, like, if you think about key moments in the film, you know, she's, you know, she isn't able to make up her mind. But I don't think I would sum it up that way. I'd say, like, she's exploring her avenues in life, definitely. Um, and, you know, she's, you know, she's playing the field. She's young, she's exploring. And that involves exploring her sexuality. Um, but I don't think she's particularly sympathetic when it comes to her relationships. But then again, I'm like, that doesn't make you a bad person either. I mean, I don't think I'm particular. I mean, it might be a reflection on who you are as a person and where you stand morally on some of the things that she does. And if you kind of like half agree with her, I think that's okay. But if you start to disagree with her, I still think that that shouldn't be a knock against the writing either.
Laura: Well, I'm just wondering what you think it is that she did that you might not agree with. Because we can get into the not cheating portion of this story, which the title of that is called Cheating of that chapter. That's chapter two. Because she is an.
Ryan: I don't think she cheated on anybody though.
Laura: She, she't do it.
Ryan: No, she didn't cheat on anyone.
Laura: So she's in a relationship with uh, Axel, who is the comic book artist, and he is 15 years older than her.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Now that's quite a gap. Doesn't mean that it can't work, but there are gonna be some generational differences here. So you'renna have a man who's in a different part of his life. Not everyone wants kids. You know, this is a discussion that they have. Because you're in a relationship, you obviously need to discuss that.
Ryan: You should.
Laura: She's younger, you know, barely 30.
Ryan: Mhm.
Laura: And that comes with complications when you have someone that potentially wants different things or is going down a different path in life than you are because of that age difference. So that's a little bit of where she's having trouble in that relationship. And he's successful, he is publishing books and she's just not quite figured that out for herself yet.
Ryan: And yeah, uh, well, he's like a quasi, like he develops into kind of like a quasi national celebrity in a way.
Laura: Right.
Ryan: Like it'he starts to build quite a fair amount attraction. But I think it's because like by the time they meet and they're together, he's probably already fairly established. Like he has his role in place.
Laura: Correct.
Ryan: So I do think that her being introduced into his life when he's kind of already, he's already kind of there, she's not really there at all. That's just going to cause this continuous friction, this contrast, I think just doesn't gel them very well together. And I'm just going to put this out there that like, is that um, maybe a thing that I knock. I would knock the film for is that I don't like knowing how, how long the film is going to be when they give it like chapters and stuff. Because the film starts and it basically tells you it's going to be in 12 chapters. So you're just.
Laura: With a prologue and an epilogue.
Ryan: Yeah. And you've got a. And you've gott. Um, you're then like you're counting the thing caus if it's like, if this film's not fucking interesting, you're literally counting the fucking chapters to fight. I was like, I really don't want to know. I want you just to take me on the story. Like, don't tell me how long the film is going to be. Just fucking take me on the story. If I wanted chapters, I read a goddamn book.
Laura: They don't really serve too much. Only as a spoiler.
Ryan: Yeah. I just don't think they are particularly
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Ryan: necessary, you know, Like, I can understand it, uh, from like a stylistic point of view, but I don't have any rhyme or reason why it definitely 100% needs to be there.
Laura: Also, especially this chapter that I wanted to talk about, which is chapter two. Cheating really gives you quite a sense of dread throughout that whole sequence. Because you don't want to see her cheating on Axel. Because everyone loves Axel. He's a really good boy. He and they have what seems like a great relationship.
Ryan: Yeah. But he's a little pretentious. Like he's a little bit pretentious. And uh, he is a bit of a know all and he feels like he's kind of teaching the world something. Like, I think he's a little pretentious. And I can see where there's a level of annoyance there.
Laura: Okay.
Ryan: So I do defend her for that. Like he is a bit of an annoying prick.
Laura: Yes.
Ryan: Okay. Certainly when like the very basis of your popularity is based off of a dog's arsehole.
Laura: Pretty much. Ye.
Ryan: Or to cat's asshole. You know, either way.
Laura: One of the most iconic buttholes ever is a quote from the film.
Ryan: Yeah. I mean it's just a fucking. Yeah, it's just a starfish, dude. We've all got one. You've heard that phrase before, I'm sure.
Laura: Well, in this chapter, she meets a man after she crashes a wedding. I even. Oh my gosh, it's so hard to say that man's name. I even. I even. Okay, that's his name. I even. And that's, uh, what the thatis'name I'm trying to say the name of the character Julie goes to A like a wedding reception party.
Ryan: I didn't write it down because obviously.
Laura: Because you couldn't say his name.
Ryan: Course not.
Laura: Spelled E I V I N D ea.
Ryan: Well do uh. Yeahbe'maybe it's not.
Laura: I looked it up. This is another one I looked up and I wrote I even. I even.
Ryan: I even okay.
Laura: I even okay.
Ryan: Yeah. He's wow. His name is I'GONNA drive people crazy. Yeah, it is.
Laura: She meets a dude, okay, at this party that she crashes and shes getting drunk. And this is right after she left Axel'kind of book party.
Ryan: Here's the thing. Like she crashes the party, but someone is good looking his heart who just kind of sneaks in there and thinks no one's going to say no. Like there's no aspect of that. Like if it was like, you know what I mean? She goes and she gets that cigarette and stuff like that. Like you wouldn't give a cigarette to muntter if she cameh My re so mean. Came waddling up and she's like st they like get away. Get away from me, you freak.
Laura: She is so attractive that if she just walked into our house, I wouldn't ask her to leave.
Ryan: Probably not.
Laura: I go, come on in.
Ryan: Because my initial what can I get you? Is I immediately go for the knives and I start getting a little bit swingy with the knives. But I probably. Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know if she started. If she wasn't speaking English. I mean, I might reach for the knife a little quicker. But if she's just kind of there and she's just like standing there in the sunlight looking pretty, then yeah, m. I might not be too quick to get a bit stabby.
Laura: Well, she is in a country that has a better education system than you or I ever grew up in. So I'm a thousand percent sure that she knows many different languages.
Ryan: I don't know if um, that is 100% true. You can talk about your own education if you want to.
Laura: Do you know more than one language?
Ryan: Uh, I know parts of another language because I learned it in school.
Laura: Okay. Um, but you know what I'm talking about. We don't. We had horrible. The American and the UK systems. They don't care about other languages like we should.
Ryan: A ye care. It's a get a in. Make it, you know, don't break the law. Get them straight, uh, out into the workforce as quickly as you can. That's pretty much the education system, uh, in the western world, unfortunately, other than obviously Scandinavia.
Laura: I'm just Saying that she walks in here, she's gonna know how to speak English well, and we'll understand her and we'll invite her to stay.
Ryan: Well, fucking good for her. You know what I mean? Fucking bookworm nerd out there getting out there fucking speaking four languages at once. Not my fault. Not my fault. I'm pretty sure I was clever when I was younger, ok? They didn't utilize my talents. They didn't nurture me the way that I felt I should be nurtured.
Laura: Uh, let's get back on track here, okay? I'm sorry that we're not as smart as we should be.
Ryan: This sucks. I have no regrets.
Laura: Me not so smart no more. Okay, what exactly. She's. I want to
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Laura: talk about this damn party where she meets thisumb, um, dude.
Ryan: Me hit head with rock. All right, we're back at the party, so thank you. We're at the party.
Laura: So because of the title of this chapter, you're stressed and you don't want her to cheat. I don't want to see anyone cheating because that causes problems and it is upsetting. Someone's gonna get their feelings hurt. So they play this game the entire time going, well, is this cheating? Is this cheating? Yeah, they watch each other pee. I im m sorry. She saw him pee and pull his wiener out. This is not the dick scene, but that's a little cheaty. Yeah, maybe its'really close to the line. Especially if it was just a man and she saw him pee, but she's flirting with this guy.
Ryan: Well, here's the scari.
Laura: So the intentions are different.
Ryan: Well, here's a scenario, Laura. Like, what if you went into a public bathroom and someone's doing a pee and they are in. They'in one of the stalls, but the stall has no door, so they have no choice. They were like, busting. They needed to piss. Like they needed desperately to go to the bathroom. And then you see them and you see them peeing and you're like, oh, no, that's. That's really unfortun not cheating.
Laura: So I think this is where intention comes in. Because let's say I walk in on a man going pee. And I go, oh, no, m my apologies. And I leave. Guess what? I go and tell you immediately.
Ryan: I go, I guess so.
Laura: Hey, guess what I just saw, uh, a dude taking a whiz. And I saw his wiener and be.
Ryan: Like, why did you cheat on me?
Laura: Right? Exceed. Now, in this scenario, in the film, we have a man peeing and she's watching him.
Ryan: Yes.
Laura: And then would she go tell Axel about this. I was in a bathroom and a man watched me pee. And then I watched him pee. And he would go, why?
Ryan: Well's.
Laura: And then she says it's because I wasn't cheating on you. Suspicious.
Ryan: It's a little. Yeah. No, no, no. I know exactly what you do.
Laura: I just wanted to describe it, but.
Ryan: The thing is, is that like they show each other their genitals.
Laura: She also farts in front of him, which is great.
Ryan: It's pretty funny. I mean, I do have a note in here that just isn't block Capl'fart.
Laura: Yeah, me too.
Ryan: Um, but yeah, no, I like. Yeah, no, I understand it. I mean, the minute you start bringing into the conversation is just like, what are your intentions? It's like, it's like obviously you know that this is that sexual in nature regardless. Like there's an underlying chemistry that's there that you're just like. The minute you start figuring out your intentions, you know, it's like, is this discreet? Are you discree?
Laura: Are you disree?
Ryan: You know, it's like m. I'm just.
Laura: Always going to be on Axel's side because I don't think that Ivan is as attractive as Axel. So I'm.
Ryan: She pushed, uh. Axel pushed her away with his nonsense. You know, I think she was a big part of his life and he was under the assumption that things were fine. The problem was, is that they weren't. They weren't fine.
Laura: And that's okay. And she.
Ryan: It's not okay. It'the crux. It's the crux of story.
Laura: I'm saying that breakups are okay because when you're younger. Maybe not so much for him, but this is what happens when you get into a relationship with someone who's more than a decade younger than you is that things change.
Ryan: Things change.
Laura: People change.
Ryan: Um, people do change.
Laura: Goals, uh, and uh, everything needs.
Ryan: Yeah, I've been in that position before.
Laura: Yeah, because we've been in relationships when you were younger and I've been in relationships with people that are older. Maybe not as old as this one, but yeah, things. Things are different and things change.
Ryan: That's 60 year old man you dated.
Laura: You know, he was ready to retire and I wanted to stay up all night money and go to the Discoech and hang out with my friends the disco tag.
Ryan: I don't know.
Laura: Cause I'm young.
Ryan: Wait, that's old disco T. Yeah.
Laura: I don't know.
Ryan: Disc take.
Laura: Trying to make a joke anyway.
Ryan: Aging yourself, terrible.
Laura: Just. There's differences yeah, no, there is. That can work as long as you, you know, I'm not a relationship counselor, but have good communication and don't just sit there complacent thinking that things are go, going toa be just as so forever. You got toa work stuff.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Um, Ael, you have to work on your relationship. You got to keep that hot piece of ass in the house. Don't let her go outside. She's too cute.
Ryan: Yeah. She's far too attractive. Yeah. The best, like the only advice I can give, like the, the main foundation of any relationship is a good, you know, is a good basis of lies. You know, you just kind of keep.
Laura: It, you gotta keep your notepad clear so that you know all the lies that you've told.
Ryan: Exactly.
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Laura: So that you don't mix anything up. Because when you mix it up, trouble.
Ryan: That'S where suspicion comes in and people.
Laura: Are just like, hey, real suspicious boy.
Ryan: Real can be suspicious. Uh, yeah, no, but you shouldn't, you shouldn't lie anyway. I don't lie. I always tell you the truth. I think that's my main problem.
Laura: True. So they don't do a cheat necessarily, but they're, they're really trying to find that line between what is cheating and what is not cheating so they don't feel guilty and they end up running into each other again, which wasn't the intention. They didn't want to know each other's surnames. Right. Wasn't that the thing so they could find each other?
Ryan: Yeah. So it was kind of like it's one step removed from actually going the whole way for a one night stand. It pretty much is. But the thing is, is like, it's one of those magical moments where it's like, oh, you find the person of your, of your dreams, like the counter person to your personality, and you spend the entire night up until the early morning the next day, like talking to them and stuff, which is, you know, something that actually happens. Um, but yeah, they didn't want to take it any further because then it would be, it would be bad because.
Laura: They are both in relationships. It wasn't just her. They're both in a relationship with other people.
Ryan: Yes, yes, they are.
Laura: So that's trouble. But they do end up running into each other again. She is working at a bookstore because she still hasn't figured out what she wants her career to be, which is totally cool. Working at a bookstore is very fun.
Ryan: Yeah. Yeah. And certainly a Scandinavian bookstore is probably very, very tidy, um, and very clean. Um, and everyone probably is Kind of nice, you know, Butm. Um, yeah, no, they do run into each other again. And then she obviously gets a glimpse into this man's partner. And you can tell, like, from the relationships that they're both in, they're just not gelling with their partner because their partner is actively changing. Like, things are either improving in their life or their mindset is changing. So just there's a natural drifting apart that's happening, which is perfectly fine within and within the realms of reason and understanding. You know what I mean?
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: You know?
Laura: Yeah. Uh, it's fine. She wants a copy of Green Yoga and they don't have it.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: And, uh, you know, she's not a bad person.
Ryan: It's like, we don't have it. I can order it. It'll take two weeks. And she's like, no, correct. And I'm like, well, there's Amazon as well. Like, you could get next day delivery with Amazon.
Laura: You really could.
Ryan: Yeah, you really could. I'm sure that's what.
Laura: But you have to support your local brick and mortar businesses, Ryan. You can't just order everything on Amazon and make the rich richer. Okay? You got to go to the bookstore.
Ryan: That's true.
Laura: Used books are also very important. You could support charities.
Ryan: Do you know how much a fucking book is in Barn and Noble? Like, do you know how much that fucking.
Laura: It's printed on the back? It's very expensive.
Ryan: Very expensive. You can get it a lot cheaper online. I'm just saying you can get it.
Laura: Very cheap at a thrift store.
Ryan: They said they were gonna. Yeah, well, not the books I'm fucking buying. Um, yeah, but that's the thing.
Laura: I bought a copy of Naked Lunch the other day at a thrift store. It cost me $1. I also got the first two Harry Potter books on paperback and they cost me 50 cents.
Ryan: Yes, but here's the thing.
Laura: The thrift store.
Ryan: But you don't know what you're getting at the thrift store until you get to the thrift store.
Laura: Beautiful. Treasure hunt.
Ryan: Yeah. And you're expected to get something that's second hand. And, you know, that's just the kind of way it is. If I go in, in the store and I'm getting something, I'm just like, Jesus motherfucking Christ. Why the fuck is this book. There's only like 115 pages. 25 fucking dollars. 25. Of course, like, if it's fucking crazy. Absolutely fucking crazy. Um, but yeah, no, I want Jeff Bezos to fucking fly a drone of that book that I Want online to my fucking house. And it's. That's it. I'm happy. I'm a happy little chappie.
Laura: Well, that woman is supporting her bookstore. Okay, we're at the bookstore.
Ryan: I also will point out that, uh, I don't support Jeff Bezos the bit Jeff Bezos agenda. I really don't. No, no, I don't, I don't. But it's just, it's. It's the convenience factor. I just can't get away from it. It's such, such a mind fuck. Anyway, let's, let's carry on.
Laura: We're gonna be okay.
Ryan: Yeah, we're gonna be.
Laura: I hope this is kind of coming up to the point getting. We're inchinging closer to the, to the, to the penis scene. O O so we are kind of in Julie's head where she is looking at her partner. You know, she's looking at Axel. And then she begins
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Laura: to envision the potential that she has with Ivan, the new boy from the party, right. That she runs into. And she's trying to figure out what would be the best course of action. Does she stay with Axel? Does she leave, embark on something new? Because she's very comfortable. She moved into Axel'place he's established. Does she want to start something new with this new guy?
Ryan: I also think it's like a mindset of your twenties as well, is that you feel like, what, she had just turned 30.
Laura: Not that numbers matter, but she had just turned 30.
Ryan: Fairy is an awkward age for many of us. It certainly was an awkward age for me. Like, it feels like you're like, oh no, I need to change something right now. Otherwise I'm goingna be stuck doing the same shit and I'm going to hate myself forever.
Laura: Yeah, I literally changed everything about when I turned 30. I finished school right after that I moved to Scotland. I met you, I started a, uh, new career. So yeah, I mean everything changes.
Ryan: And I was, was. I had some plans of my own really. Um, until you walked into my life and completely upended them. But yeah, no, we're in agreement. Thank you. Uh, no. This is probably the most innovative, interesting scene in the entire film.
Laura: Um, absolutely.
Ryan: And it, and it is interesting. I mean, I like it. Like I like how time is frozeen and she's walking around these, you know, these kind of, these pictures, these moments as time is frozen. Um, and it's like, oh, it's like time stands still and it's. It's kind of like yeahu. In any other film you'd Be like, this is. This is stupid. Like in a romantic comedy.
Laura: Thisucking, you'd be like, it would be terrible.
Ryan: Yeah. And it'd be something stupid. It'll be like that, that bit with uh, in. With Quicksilver in those X Men movies. Like, it'd be fucking stupid. Dumb. Yeah, but it makes sense for Quicksilver in those movies for him to be able to do the things that he does. This is meant to be real life, but it's like, ah, a metaphysical fantasy version of, you know, of your imagination sort of thing. So if you saw this in romantic comedy with fucking, I don'know. Jet Black and fucking Cameronn Diaz, you'd be like hating your fucking hate out.
Laura: So, uh, she'zack Morris is the world, right? So she, uh, pauses everything and runs out and runs to the coffee shop where I even works, you know. And.
Ryan: And here's the.
Laura: Everything is paused. Everyone is standing still. And what I like about this is that that whole scene was done without cgi. So she's running through the streets of Oslo. Everyone is frozen. Cars, everything. People standing still. And when they were shooting it, the extras would. They would stand frozen and Renatao would run through them. And the police had cut off one. Basically one of the busiest streets at the busiest time. So the people who lived in town were pissed. And it's a small town and I guess up to this day, even still Renata has people tell her that they were there that day and how annoying it was.
Ryan: Wow. Okay. Yeah. I mean, when everything is basically handy to you on a silver platter, you have nothing to complain about. I guess that it is that. So how unfortunate for you all. Well, but it's one of the most effective scenes in the entire film. And it just. It just works. When it works, it works.
Laura: It makes me wonder, and I know that their breakup, Axel and Julie, is kind of inevitable just because of where they were and the trajectory of her life. But it just makes me wonder if how much longer they would have stayed together if that dude hadn't have shown up at her bookstore. Because I don't like this guy. He annoys me.
Ryan: You just want to see him?
Laura: Um, I just want to see her with Axel because I like that guy.
Ryan: Yeah. But here's the thing. Like. Yeah, well, I can tell. I can tell where your attractions and stuff lie. But like, I don't think. I don't think Ivan's that. That, uh. Bad.
Laura: Uh, s. Not that bad. I just don't find him that. I just don't. No, of course not. He's. He's a good person. I just don't find him that intriguing.
Ryan: Yeah, I know. I just. I don't know.
Laura: If I saw him at a party, I wouldn't break up with my boyfriend for him.
Ryan: No. I mean, I would fucking hope not. But at the same time, I'm like. I'm like, okay. Like, I don't think. Yeah, he's very plain. Like, he's just a plain man. I know you don't like planes.
Laura: Too much planes.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: I like fancies. I like fancy artist.
Ryan: I'm boys. Yeah, well, I guess I am a fancy artist boy.
Laura: That's right.
Ryan: Um, as part of my makeup. It will never die, but. Yeah. Ah, no, I mean, it's. It's. Okay. So, like, we do that sequence.
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Ryan: They effectively. That's the moment of them in inverted commas falling in love. And then she kind of, you know, she kind of warps back. And then time starts again and she's back in the kitchen with her current boyfriend.
Laura: And this is, um, well, again, inching even closer to the penis scene because this.
Ryan: We'still getting there.
Laura: We are. Well, they have to break up. You know, she doesn't want to do a cheat. She wants to be honest. And they have that incredibly awkward breakup conversation because it's never gonna be nice.
Ryan: Those conversations are never easy. Which is something I kind of respect in this film, is that it's. It's long, it's drawn out'messy. It's messy. It's like he starts to, like, beggar. And he's like. But I thought our relationship with. And it's just like, oh, my God, his entire world is crumbling down.
Laura: Like, I've been in. I've been in his shoes, I've been in her shoes. I think we all have been in both. All of the shoes where you.
Ryan: I've never. I've never been broken up with. I've always done breaking up.
Laura: Yeah, well, fancy artist boy. Interesting.
Ryan: Well, no, I mean, the thing is, is, like, sometimes I didn't have a choice. It was like. It's like, oh, you. You ran away to the US to go meet this guy with a bulldog and then fucked him on his boat. I think we have to break up now.
Laura: Yeah. Mine were different. Uh, yeah, mine min were different.
Ryan: I always broke up with people. I always did it. Always. I was like, yeah, if you ever need me to put something down, that's probably me.
Laura: Do you think, Ryan, that you do those things to shield yourself from getting hurt?
Ryan: No.
Laura: Because you don't want to be Vulnerable?
Ryan: O my God. Um, no, I mean, I'm always vulnerable. But, um, uh, you know, I spent a very long time being on my own. Like, if I ever wanted to be with someone, then I'll be with someone. I'm just quite half was quite content for a very long time just to kind of be on my own. That doesn't prevent, like, feeling lonely or, you know, helpless or unwanted. You know what I mean? But, uh, at the same time, it's like, yeah, you, you know, you're. You can be content. You can be content just with yourself for large swaththes of time, I think.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: You know.
Laura: In this episode of Therapy Chat, we discuss how. How you gotta love yourself because so basically how in the hell you'gonna love somebody else? And I believe that is a rupau.
Ryan: Yeahah. Uh, qu. I. Yeah, I thought you were about to sing the dooie.
Laura: If you can't love yourself, how in the hell are you gonna love somebody else? RuPaul.
Ryan: Anyway, I feel embarrassed. Um, basically have breakup sex. They have breakup sex.
Laura: Or back in the film.
Ryan: Yeah, they have breakup sex.
Laura: They do. Because.
Ryan: Which is never good, by the way. No one ever. It's never a good time.
Laura: I've never done that.
Ryan: It's awful.
Laura: I've never done that.
Ryan: Or then you have sex after you've broken up and stuff that has happened.
Laura: And it's the worst. And you're like, oh, no, you did. It's like you did all the hard work and then they get confused.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: You know, and then you go, oh, no. Yeah, I got toa do it again.
Ryan: I'm like, I just want it. I just.
Laura: I'm like, that didn't happen here.
Ryan: Yeah, just. You just feel icky. But anyway, yeah, this didn't happen here. It kind of. She still breaks up with them, she still leaves. But basically the sex is like the thing that puts the nail in the conversation because the conversation has to end. Like, has to. Um.
Laura: Right.
Ryan: Because you have to escape from this scenario because it fucking sucks.
Laura: Yeah. The air gets really thick and sad. So, um, I just wanted to put a marker on this. It's a hour, one hour, eight minutes and five seconds. This is about the penis scene. So this is the post breakup sex. And this is them, um, laying on the floor having a chat. And it's kind of. It's quite sad and emotional. But then you know that this is something that she has to do.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: And you know, he. They're discussing that maybe they'll get together again someday, and she says, maybe you Know, and she believed it and she thought that maybe they would because she does love him, she does care about him, but it just isn't. Their timelines aren't syncing up.
Ryan: Yeah. Nothing's working at the moment, so. But she. Yeah, she goes to leave, she gets up, she's walking down the hallway, and it tracks back a little bit.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: And it's another one of our favorite things.
Laura: It is an absolute favorite.
Ryan: Standing there, just Porky piggining it, uh, as he watches her leave and.
Laura: Sad, man.
Ryan: Very sad. Yeah, it's very sad. Very
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Ryan: sad cock. Like, just a. Very sad. Just a very sad kind of moment. Because you kind of feel like. Yeah. Like, if he wasn't. If he was just standing there without a T shirt on, it wouldn't be as effective.
Laura: Yeah. If he was completely nude, it'd be.
Ryan: Some kind of like. Like there'd be a level of pride that he's holding on to. If he's completely naked, he's just like, yeah, I'm standing here. I'm naked completely. As opposed to I'm standing here and I'm still wearing my T shirt.
Laura: Well, right. Because it does show. It shows the urgency of the breakup sex. Like, it shows his desperation because he's trying everything he can with words and actions to get her to stay.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Which means getting your pants off as quickly as possible and getting down to business because she was still wearing her shirt and everything. You know, you don't have time in this desperate situation to get all of your clothes off. You just have to get it done.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: And it shows how comfortable he is with her because they'd been together for, I assume, a couple of years.
Ryan: Yeah, I mean, that's unquestionable. But yeah. Um, yeah, it's obvious they've seen each other's bits and bits and bobs.
Laura: Well, yeah, I mean, yes, that is quite clear. But it's obvious that they have had a comfortable relationship together in where no matter what circumstance, he. He feels comfortable around her.
Ryan: Yeah. But she goes running straight towards the. The other one, Ivan, basically. And their. Their relationship continues with the rest of the story because. I don't know, like, I don't really want to kind of go from it beat to be. We're kind of, you know, we're kind of getting near to the end. It's like that they. Their break up is kind of like the center point in the film because it's basically about an hour. The film's about two hours long, and, you know, so the next hour is basically Taken up with will this new relationship work?
Laura: Um, and it's, it's not even about that, you know?
Ryan: No, it's not about that.
Laura: It's not about that because it's not about her finding a relationship like that is so secondary, you know, it's more about her relationship with herself. Her relationship with other people.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: Not necessarily romantic, but yeah, it's.
Ryan: But it's like you're, you're still as the film even at this, our point, like she breaks up with the guy, so you're like, oh my God, is that the worst? And you're like, well, no, not really. She's not really the worst. By doing that, she kind of just put someone out of their misery because, you know, it wasn't going in the direction that she wanted it to go in. But then, you know, she does do some other questionable things. I think the thing that, that bothers me, but I kind of respect her for, is that, you know, she does meet up with Axel again. Um, and he has fucking cancer. And basically, at least to me, it is one of the Most heart wrenching 30 minutes I've seen in a film in quite a fair while. Um, yes. And it's like she spends all this time like reconnecting with them and he's fucking, he's literally dying of fucking pancreatic cancer. And um, it's like the final night and they're like, yeah, maybe it's your time to go and see him. And she basically stays up all night until the morning because they're like, he might not make it through the night. And then when the sun comes up, she has that smile on her face. She's like, okay, well's, it's over, over now. Her involvement is, is over. But I think it's more of like that, that staggered relief of the fact that like he was suffering. And she's like, well, at least it's, you know, it's over now.
Laura: You know that it's hard enough to have a breakup with someone, um, but it's unimaginable to have that person in your life who is, you know, going through such pain and also knowing that you are a huge source of that pain or an additional pain. Obviously she's not his cancer, but just a big regret of his life.
Ryan: It's the difference between emotional and physical pain.
Laura: You know, seeing her while having cancer was probably really horrible for him. Even though he loved her forever.
Ryan: Yeah, you know, well, there's some really sad moments in it where he's just kind of like he wishes he could just go back in time and, you know, just be the flat with her. And, uh, that's kind of his s. And it's like, oh, my fucking Christ.
Laura: She was the most important person in his life.
Ryan: Oh, God Almighty.
Laura: And he goes, I don't. You know, you're still young. I probably won't be the most important person in yours. It's like, o. But I do think it's great that she went to see him. That part is really hard to watch.
Ryan: Uh, it is
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Ryan: very difficult to watch. It's also.
Laura: But it's amazing.
Ryan: If it was me, I'd maybe tone down on some of the things I said to that person if I'm dying of cancer because, like, the situation's bad enough. I don't need to make this person feel potentially worse ca. Becausee, like, that's kind of what he's doing.
Laura: I don't think that he.
Ryan: He's not doing it intentionally, I don't think. But he's really just like. He's really letting it loose that he's dying, though. He is. But I'm, um.
Laura: Also should be able to do. I mean, he didn't know if he would have the chance to talk to her again.
Ryan: No, but I'd also be. I'd show at least a level of fucking reverence because, like, the last thing I want when I'm out of this world, I'm gonna be like, yeah, I'll make that. I mean, I'll be honest. Like, I'll pick the right sort of person. Like, I'll really make some cunt feel terrible if I really fucking want you to. But not. Not someone like that who, like, if you were to look at it from her perspective, you'd start to understand why things didn't work. Because if you have, like, so little regard and you're such a selfish bastard that you're just like, well, look, I'm gonna use my cancer as the emotional crux that I'm gonna use to guilt you for the rest of your fucking life.
Laura: I disagree. He.
Ryan: That's what it m. Feels like.
Laura: No, he said some really lovely things to her as well.
Ryan: He did. But it's also kind of softened by things that are, like, kind of fucked up, where you're like, why are you telling me that? I was like, I'm not fucking interested. Thank you very much, Axel.
Laura: Wow.
Ryan: Yeah. How did your animated movie go?
Laura: No. Butthole.
Ryan: Yeah, exactly.
Laura: Exactly. This film a lot of people probably saw because it was very popular during the awards season.
Ryan: Yeah. It's one of the big Oscar contenders of the year.
Laura: I remember it premiered.
Ryan: It was on the. So tip of everyone's tongue.
Laura: The tip. Uh, speaking of the tip. No, uh, it premiered in competition for the Palme do'Or at the 2021, uh, Cannes Film Festival.
Ryan: What won that year? 2021.
Laura: These are the kind of questions I need to just think that you're gonna ask me and CA because when did.
Ryan: Te Tan come out? Was that 22? Probably was.
Laura: You know what? I was talking about this movie before we watched it maybe like a week ago. And I was like, it came out last year.
Ryan: Well, don't worry. That was. That was. I do that to you anyway, because then I don't also have the answer. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna see which one won the, uh, Palm Door. Um, and it may be. It might be what it is actually.
Laura: It'an.
Ryan: Yeah. Fuck yeah. I'm a fucking smart motherfucker.
Laura: It was Te Tan. I don't know why, but Te Tan does feel like it came out several years ago, but this one doesn't. I don't know. But, um, Renatao won Best Actress, uh, for that film. It was also nominated for Best International Feature Film and Best Original Screenplay at the Academy Awards. It did not win, but it won Best International Independent Film at the British Independent Film Awards.
Ryan: Yes. Okay. Oh, dogs here. Um, um, yeah, no, I think. I think it's deserving of its accolades. But, yeah, I think at the time, like, I wasn't. I wasn't blown away by the film. I don't dislike it. I just, um, I'm just like, huh, okay. Well, that's what that is. Um, you know, but I'm glad. I'm glad that it's at least given Joachim has, like, the opportunity to continue to make films on a slightly more international platform. Because now that, you know, people know that he made the film, made the worst person in the world, it gives him just a little bit more of that international acclaim. So I think it did have a. It did have a more far reaching interest than just being just being another nominee of the foreign film section for the Academy Award. So.
Laura: Yeah. And the other two, if anyone has, uh, an opportunity to watch the other ones in that, you know, kind of Oslo trilogy or whatever, they're really, really good. And if you thought this film was sad, just wait, just wait. Because the other ones are pretty sad.
Ryan: Too, because other than he s short, he only has six features for the most part. So. Yeah, it's not, um, an extensive filmography.
Laura: No, no. They very. A lot of them are very watchable. Jesse Weisenberg's in one of them. I haven't seen that one. I only watched the, uh.
Ryan: You know what? I think I've. Yeah, I think I've. Yeah.
Laura: Louder than bombs, that one. I haven't seen that one.
Ryan: No, I have. We have watched that. I think either. Either I've watched it or you've watched it.
Laura: Not me.
Ryan: Okay, well, pretty.
Laura: Unless I'm mixing up, I log everything on letterbox. Everything. I know what I've seen.
Ryan: I have a, um, memory. So here we go.
Laura: My memory. I don't trust letterboxed. I do. Would you like to get into your ratings, sir? Would you like to go first for visibility and context?
Ryan: U. Um, so, yeah, visibility and context are relatively quite high. I'probably give it about 4U. Um,
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Ryan: contextually, I think it makes sense from them having had. Just had breakup sex. But I think it's the. But I think it's the, um, um, it's the meaning behind it. And like what, like what this shot itself means to that particular characters. What he's feeling in that moment is also demonstrated by how he physically appears. So without the T shirt, I think there's. There's a little bit more of a connotation that he's. He's a little bit prouder. He's a little bit more like, well, I'll survive without you, sort of, sort of look to him. So for him to be kind of standing there, pathetic, flaccid, um, with his white T shirt on, sad look on his face, um, the sad cartoonist, Porky Pig in it, it's. Yeah, think it'I think it's effective. So it does. It earns its stars, I feel like, for that. And it's more effective. Plus as much as it's a sad scene, because it is pretty sad. And that's also. There is a level of amusement out of at least that moment. And I feel like that's. I feel like that's quite welcome at that point because this film, as much as anything else of it being a drama and stuff like that, it is actually genuinely funny. It is, um, amazing.
Laura: So, you know, I can really only echo what you said. I also gave it a four. I do think that it is very important to show in this post breakup sex situation the vulnerability that Axel is displaying and just kind of putting everything out on the line. It shows the like, literally what just happened. You know, they did have sex, so why would he be wearing any underwear, wearing pants or anythingeah. But Just the fact that he is there, he's being vulnerable, he is desperate and he is sad. And, you know, I think that that is important for that character, especially considering where he ends up.
Ryan: Yeah.
Laura: And how. Sorry. I don't know. It sucks.
Ryan: Yeah, it does suck. It does suck.
Laura: But I think. Uh-huh. That's just a genuine good moment for that character. And the Porky Piggan is always a real treat.
Ryan: Yeah. It's always something that's quite welcome when it does happen.
Laura: Yeah. And just kind of being there in that wide shot and was, uh, it like kind of tracking backwards and just seeing him just there alone, no pants and. Yeah, I think that's a really excellent moment.
Ryan: Yeah. Yeah. There we are. There we are.
Laura: What about your. The film?
Ryan: So I gave the film A4, probably deserves more of a three and a half. Um, but really it's a film that teaches all of us. Everyone wants kids eventually.
Laura: No, no, that is not true.
Ryan: I mean, that's the moral of the story. I.
Laura: You're fine. Ah, what, like everyone that says that.
Ryan: They didn't want kids end up having kids eventually.
Laura: Yeah.
Ryan: It was only the universe that prevented her from having a child and that she miscarries, um, the child that she's, you know, she's, uh, she's impregnated with.
Laura: Yeah. That's.
Ryan: Then one when she's on her own, the universe speaks to her and basically says, no, we're not gonna do this to you. Then, ah, Ms. Carries are. Um. But no, I would say it deserve it. Probably. It's. I gave it four because I think I enjoyed the last 30 minutes more. Or at least it was more gripping. Not so much enjoyed it'far. More gripping this, this time around than it was the first time around. But probably, like, realistically, it probably deserves more of a three and a half, like if I'm being actually critical of it. So.
Laura: Well, you can keep the four. I gave it a four and a half. I gave it a four and a half when I saw it the first time and I gave it a four and a half this time. I just. It's an incredibly engaging story. I think it's interesting. Everyone's good looking, so it's nice to watch. It's not very long and I just really enjoyed the journey and I enjoyed how funny it was and how sweet and how sad. I really do like a film where you can laugh and you can cry if you feel like it. I try to keep myself out from crying because I don't feel like crying. You know, life is sad enough as it is, but I think it really is a good balance between both and I like this movie. Four and a half.
Ryan: Yeah, it's decent. It's decent.
Laura: Can't wait for that next Criterion sale. Put it in the cart.
Ryan: Oh boy.
Laura: Add to cart.
Ryan: Mhm.
Laura: Well, anything else you want to add?
Ryan: U um, no, not really. I mean, we're never gonna have children. Kids. Ew, gross.
Laura: The music in this movie is great, by the way. Christopher Cross Simonde. That's all? That was the only thing.
Ryan: Yeah, no, actually the soundtrack to this film is actually incredibly good. I love surprised that we didn't bring it up, but yes, no, it's very good. Even just the score that they have for the film as well I think is very, very good. Um, yeah, no, there you go.
Laura: Excellent. Well, thank you. Another wonderful film. Our very first film from this region.
Ryan: Yeah, it certainly might not be the last.
Laura: So no, unfortunately there's no wieners and the other two of uh, Jooachim'movies that I've seen, so we'll just have to keep looking. But thank you so much for being here with me today, Ryan. And I don't think the dog for being loud, but you're the editor king so I won't have to worry about it. No one will ever know.
Ryan: Except for now we were speaking over the entirety of his loud and obnoxious entrance into our podcast studio. So I am holding him now and I am stroking his chin and that seems to be working.
Laura: So I know you can't see him, uh, listeners, but he's very cute.
Ryan: It's adorable. I fucking love this dog so much.
Laura: Coming to you from the Barcode project. Do you remember that from the film? Yes, I have been Laura
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